Wait a minute, you are saying that Grant is a bigot because he preferred trained, qualified and militarily educated army officers over unqualified politiciansMessage 1 of 34 , Sep 1, 2004View SourceWait a minute, you are saying that Grant is a bigot because he preferred
trained, qualified and militarily educated army officers over
unqualified politicians who achieved their rank though a political
barter system? That hardly certifies one as a "bigot". Even at that John
Logan, for one, served quite well under Grant. Stephen Hurlbut had some
good moments too and I am sure there are others.
I don't think your accusations merit a conviction of Grant as a "bigot".
From: slippymississippi [mailto:slippymississippi@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: American Jewry in the Civil War..
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "James L. Choron"
> It's not "racist groups", it's an overall thought process and
> While it was not organized, anti-semitism, just like anti-catholocism
> existed and was just under the surface in many places both Northand South.
Do you have any support to offer for these statements, besides "go
buy this $100 book?" :)
You've certainly piqued my interest, but I'm not sure I'm willing to
drop a cool hundred on such a book without a few supporting quotes.
Growing up in Vicksburg was an interesting experience, with Lebanese,
Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant living side-by-side-by-side. The
cultural differences were minimal outside the
synagogue/church/temple... these people fished together, ate
together, worked together. After all, they all had one thing in
common: they weren't "the other." That spot was already filled by
African Americans (and the occasional Yankee). I have done a lot of
reading of Mississippi newspapers from the 1860's, and the cultural
dynamics didn't strike me as much different than when I grew up in
> I was not implying that it was organized. Grant was hardly abiggot, but his
> order reflected the mood of the day to a great extent.I haven't seen any evidence to support that Grant was not a bigot.
To the contrary, I think it's easy to prove that he was a bigot in at
least one regard: career military officers vs. political officers. :)
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In addition, the Ammens lived up on the square in Georgetown and Jake got Grant interested in going to college. And becoming a math professor. Take care, BobMessage 34 of 34 , Sep 3, 2004View SourceIn addition, the Ammens lived up on the square in Georgetown and Jake got Grant interested in going to college. And becoming a math professor.Take care,
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From: Martin Williams [mailto:williams484@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Political generalsJacob Ammen graduated from West Point in 1831, was assigned to the Artillery, and resigned from the Army in 1837. For much of that time he was detailed to West Point as a math instructor. As such, he arranged for his younger brother Daniel to sit in on some classes to prepare for the midshipman's entrance examination in the Navy (Daniel finished up as a rear admiral). Jacob spent must of his civilian career before the war as a college professor and the rest of it as a civil engineer.Federal generals who had first been Army officers and then politicians included Fremont, Ryan, Stevens and Dix. The only Rebel I can think of at the moment who was in the same situation was Withers.----- Original Message -----From: John BeattySent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:12 AMSubject: [civilwarwest] Political generalsTheres a new work, "War Within the Union High Command"
by Thomas Goss that discusses political generals in
some detail. The crux of his thesis is that political
generals were excellent at enhancing enlistment and
keeping up the faith to the folks at home, but most
were less than stellar. Interestingly, he also shows
that some knew their limitations.
Jacob Amman, a childhood freind of Grant, was also
politically appointed without military training, as
were all but one of his division commanders at Shiloh.
But then again, Grant owed his commission to Elihu
Wasburne, not to a steady sucession in rank. To say
that Grant was "bigoted" against political generals is
thus ridiculous, since practically all of them were
politically appointed. He did have a problem,
however, with incompetence.
John D. Beatty, Milwaukee Wisconsin
"History is the only test for the consequences of ideas"
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