I really don't want to get into this any further, but...
>Also, why do people keep assuming that a monorail is the same as an
>El-Train? The whole point of monorails is that the single track is
>narrower than the train. Together with a gap between the 2 tracks,
>this does not produce huge areas of shadow.
It's not just the shadow or the noise, it's the visual intrusion.
These things can only ever be a blot on a street.
>Also, I'm not saying that monorails are necessarily better than
>subways in all areas, but they are much cheaper to build. If you're
>going to convince the government to build a carfree city, then the
>first one needs to be as cheap as possible.
No, the first step is to do it right. Good-old-fashioned trolleys,
travelling at moderate speeds, are sufficient. Metros are better
still, being underground. They cost more, to be sure, but the
cost is reasonable compared to many urban highway projects.
>They are, at least in my opinion, better than light rail in all areas.
>Light rail is the alternative most talked about on this forum, but I
>would consider a tram line to negate many of the reasons for getting
>rid of cars. They can still run over people (and so would have to
>travel slowly in the districts), take the whole street away from
>pedestrian, make a lot of noise, etc.
Trolleys move only on known routes through a small percentage of
a city's streets. New vehicles are quiet, probably no more noisy
than a monorail. The amount of trolley traffic is really quite
small, far less than the number of cars or even buses that would
be required to transport the same number of people.
There's no magic in monorails at all. It's the same situation as
with the much-touted mag-lev trains: these are no faster than
conventional steel-wheel trains, cost a fortune, and apparently
have serious ride-quality problems (although this is rarely mentioned).
They are being promoted by people with a stake in the technology,
just as is usually the case with monorail promoters.
Can we please drop the pie-in-the-sky technical solutions for
BOTH public transport and cars, and concentrate on our theme:
getting to carfree as soon as possible?
J.H. Crawford Carfree Cities