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> Subject: Re: [Artificial Intelligence Group] Re: True intelligence
> From: Chris Lofting
> > You and PB are showing a lack of depth in thinking, limited to 2D
> > all stimulus/response.
> I bet that in order to achieve "3D thinking" one would be better
> start studying "I Ching". That would be very deep indeed. And
> what would be "4D"? Astrology?
Here you show your true true ignorance. Cowboy stuff, incapable of seeing
past expressions and into what they represent. This is nothing about The I
Ching or Astrology, it is about identifying the source of meaning and so
that MUST COVER THE REAL AND THE IMAGINED.
As clearly covered in the IDM material the focus is on a generic template of
meaning that seeds ALL specialisations - regardless of their value to you or
someone else; if you take the IC as rubbish and others don't - how come?
There is 'something' within esoteric material that elicits as much meaning
and value as we can get out of logic or mathematics. THAT is what one needs
to understand to deal with AI.
The IC, Astrology, Mathematics, Physics, History, Philosophy etc etc etc are
all specialisations derived from what the brain deals with -
The COMMON ground, the SAMNESS across all of these is their specialisation
and use of dichotomies to derive meaning. That usage stems from the brain's
dynamic in the creation of generic meaning that is then customised for
different contexts. The customisation focuses on links to transmission of
emotion/feelings and so the use of METAPHOR in describing reality.
IT is the interchangability of metaphor that allows, for example,
Mathematics to represent Physics or Psychology or Astrology or whatever you
The interest of the I Ching is that considerations of yin/yang dynamics
influences over 1/4 of the world's population and so to understand THEIR
perspectives on meaning it is a fundamental requirement to understand such
representations and the I Ching in its role as a philosophy not divination.
What the IDM material clearly shows is the qualities derived in the I Ching
are not qualities of ancient China but of our species where local
customisation has brought out the IC.
What my emotional IC work has shown is how, through generic questions we can
in fact elicit the representations of the IC to describe emotional states
and in doing so show the isomorphism of recursing the fight/flight dichotomy
vs recursing the differentiate/integrate dichotomy vs recursing the yang/yin
There is a version of this method coming out that only focuses on emotions
and so bypasses the IC example but there is no difference other than the
labels, nothing changes as to representations in that there is only ONE
source of meaning and that comes out of what the brain does - the mixing of
real/imagined then determines such, and so allows for the imagined to serve
for some as the real, and the real to serve for some as the imagined.
Your attitude to all of this indicates someone frozen in 50s mindset. Get