> Now I have made the evaluation both that I have been occultly excluded
> from the Society and that the Society is outwardly dead. But my
> commitment has simply gone deeper, into a broader connection with the
> Movement. Brad calls it the Michael School. Whatever. I still have
> my commitment to Rudolf Steiner and those connections allow me to
> weigh in on these issues from a differnt perspective that some of the
> others here might have.
And I will respect that this is what you have found. And I shall say
that would not be true for me. And, as far as the committment having
gone deeper,I would ask in what respects and towards what? Are you
speaking of your own committment towards your own growth?
And, I sense the exclusion that some of y'all speak of. I don't sense
it from my person as being excluded, although I probably am or don't
even register on the blip, but that would not be the point. Theosophy
didn't exclude Dr. STeiner. They chose to renig on a promise or
committment to allow him to work his own work within the group. Once
they made it clear that he would have to follow them he made the choice
to move on. He was always operating as an Anthroposophist within
Theosophy. He says so in his work The Anthroposophical Movement.
This exclusion you and a few others have felt is regrettable to a
certain extent, yet to another it seems that you also have had a very
clear hand in creating this situation as well. Its not just that you
were excluded or they, rather it was a mutual exclusion in a sense once
you and the others realized that some of what you wanted to bring was
not what the others were wanting to hear: no matter how important you
or Joel or some of the others felt your work was. And it is here that I
then sense this great striking out from those who have felt rejected or
excluded in a sense. And then comes the 'oh they are all Steiner said
and they are all corrupt and they are this and they are that and yada
yada ya. Now, some of that may be true and I also sense that those who
have felt this exclusion are onto something else. That doesn't mean
that Dr. Steiner's teachings don't count for you all as it is obvious
he has your respect. However, it does speak to something else and I
believe that something else is very important to consider: the dying of
what Dr. Steiner brought as a Soul group of sorts.
And personally I do not think it is about the personality of Dr.
Steiner rather I believe it is what he wrought on behalf of mankind;
Anthroposophy. And if one gives up on it and goes solo, that can be
what was in the cards, and then on the other hand there are those that
will remain within and try to continue this Soul force of a movement
that he brought about because it really is the great hope of hte world.
And it was this understanding that led me to call all the great
warriors who have left to return to the table. To return and try to
work it out. So, its not about being honorable to his personality
rather it is about being honorable to what Anthroposophy is. And it is
a teaching like no other in the world. And it can continue to grow and
To be dead to you is quite an interesting point to work from and one
that I would like you to reconsider. If not for anything other than
there are many of us looking to take it into the next level, and even
if you can't come to an agreement that it is worth working with maybe
you can find a way to lend towards the energy of the change that is
Again, I haven't seen anything in your post that is not about your
personal vanity. Not as a slight, but what you need. Now, in this world
that is what we are taught: we need to take care of ourselves first and
so forth. And that would be true. But Dr. Steiner held it unto an even
greater heights: service. John the Baptist beheaded for service, the
Christ sacraficed for service to something greater than he: us. Dr.
Steiner did no less.
I have always been saddened that there has been such a sense of
rejection from many of my friends on the spiritual science path. But
its' like Dr. King man, you just can't give up on something that is as
important as this teaching. You can go off and be by yourself, well you
can, and that may even be the right choice for you at the time, but the
stream I come from, its all about service. And truth be told I really
think the personal rejection is what drives all of this talk of
corruption and the non understanding, way dejavu right now, of what the
lesson is for those experiencing such a thing.
I am facing rejection all over the place but I have to stay. It is my
duty to see it through during my life time. And so I will. And how much
easier it would be to leave, but it would be against every single thing
I stand for because I am in the Michael stream. Listening to our higher
selves/ that Witness and the angelic beings working with us, prod us to
be rid of our lower egos. And so we must.
> Does that explain?
In some ways yes and others no. You still have not been clear about
why all the fuss about the Vorstand. I mean I get lots of y'all are
upset it has not gone the way y'all think it should've and so forth,
but I still have not seen anything that approaches anything objective
versus the feeling of exclusion and then the second step of cutting
oneself off but not really and yet putting down the others with
insinuations of not carrying through Dr. Steiner's work. Mostly I sense
a great frustration that people feel they don't have anyone to take
them to the next level. And for that you must behead yourself. I mean
that is what must happen but nobody wants to understand or talk about
what that kind of sacrafice means. And nobody can do it but you for
yourself. I mean, that is where the teacher within is taking y'all. We
are heading to the age where people will feel other peoples hunger and
pain as their own. What does that mean to anyone? I mean really. If one
does not sacrafice ones life now how will one understand the future
unless through grace. And as a Michael student I am so not one looking
for my own grace, I'd like it to go to another less fortunate than I
unless it is important for the service of another.
But nobody gets this it seems. Its not really kosher to talk about it
seems or people feel judged. I can keep saying over four or five years
now, well I guess it is in everyones good time that it happens, but I
am getting this is kinda lame for me to say. Its either you understand
the need or you do not. Service, the Vorstand is at service. Whether
you agree with them or not is besides the point. They are in service.
So, no Stephen, it doesn't explain it. I still have not seen anything
in your post other than exclusion, which I am not downplaying, as the
reason why the Vorstand is not a good group of people. I'd like to see
more of a reason than something subjective that can aid in one
understanding where you think they have been shown to have been wrong.
All good things,