Bradford wrote: Mostly in the past we had nothing but selfish pop shots, and egotistic personality bouts, but rarely and hardly ever do you find the communityMessage 1 of 143 , Mar 8, 2008View Source
Bradford wrote: "Mostly in the past we had nothing but selfish pop shots, and egotistic personality bouts, but rarely and hardly ever do you find the community of cognition able to take each persons research a step further and richer and thereby enriching the whole tenor of the subject be looked at...."
Well, that was a treat for me to be part of. But now, well my living conditions have changed, and so it goes, though I did not foresee this to such a high degree, my personal focus/ task/individual study have forcibly changed course.
Meet the 'new' 'carol' - now, exposed to even finer materialistic 'dust' from the sublime part of this world, and well, ready as ever to take it up to the best of my abilities... Oh Ahriman, his logic will penetrate my home environment, will swiftly enliven the ego consciousness of my sons and their girlfriends; will be lovingly held within the soul bossoms of my neighbors (of Latino origin), will, will, will ....
I have been shifted and locked in to a new 'study'.
(perhaps only for a year while my former apartment is being renovated)
But I will still try to participate in this 'community', Bradford. I still have the great joy of knowing that I did come to Michael inspite of, for what I see as, my unworthy soul traits; and WILL NOT forsaken him- even if the path to his recognition has become more obstucted- even if, heaven forbid, that unfortunate materialistic efforts be exerted upon me to divert me from him....
(I'm thinking that the mechanisms of control and torture are destined to move into the human soul realm... I know that the finest moral sands can't effectively stop them....)
But, I DO remember the beautiful moments still occuring around the turn of the century when Angelic beings were still free to manifest themselves, dance as it were within the outside's etheric environment- before- the great artificial facade of external elements was successfully implemented.
Remember Bradford, before ; ;
And so, it appears to me that the moment is once again upon us where spiritual scientists must lovingly but steadily prepare for another broad future condition....
You see, I have been stripped of all except my essential toyful musings..
--- In email@example.com, "holderlin66" <holderlin66@...> wrote:
> Bradford comments;
> Well, isn't that community? I mean really, there are a number of highly
> interesting souls who participate on the various lists. Carol has
> always delt squarely and clearly out of moral Michael impulses. Then we
> have those who just can't stand the fact that she clearly has a right to
> how the cognitive and moral Michael world has formed in her. I have
> known it from my own insights. I have known that the flaws in a Tarjei
> or others who trampled on her were grossly in error, immature and rather
> par for the course in certain dogmatic idealists. Jean-Marc, also very
> solid and there are times when Steve is clear and daring and there are
> also times when Steve needs real correctiveness, like instruction Jack
> Nicholson got in the Shining. Even the whole rich explanation of the
> Shining, and how people apparently SHINE, as it was described in the
> film tells of the type of Initiation experience that Swedenborg suddenly
> found himself in. Suddenly Swedenborg was experiencing, the Image and
> Imaginations that the Angels had made in the ethers, not the Angels or
> the beings themselves but their gestures in the Ethers. We can all learn
> something from that. But what do we think our fellow school mates learn
> from understanding the gesture and pictures of the Angels against the
> actual beings themselves? It is a fascinating and demanding call to
> clarify and remove vagueness but understand what is vague and true and
> what is vague and new age phooey.
> In this instance I can only marvel at the strange beauty and clarity of
> something that is cultus and cognition and community. Steve and the
> whole issue of the planets that was brought forward by CarynLouise...
> and CarynLouise, so richly researches such important Spiritual Science
> substance as well in her contributions. We did it. We walked a subject
> deeper and further and held on longer and concentrated harder with a
> very difficult subject, than most Attention Span deficit Antros can dare
> claim. Good Work cognitive Community. We can do it, we do, do it.
> Community? Well here is an instance when we have paused at the inner
> threshold of grasping how the etheric body and the planetary systems
> operate. We have as the colored cover and opening image of this list a
> kind of Etheric planetary image. Here we have just rounded a corner and
> brought the light of comparison toward the inner side of the Planets.
> That Swedenborg and Victor Hugo arrived at a kind of Saturn perception
> is potent and important. It isn't important to the usual Anthro
> suspects, the usual suspects who can't follow and are easily lost in
> their own subjective likes and dislikes and prefer it that way.
> The OUTER OF THE OUTER PLANETS. We have stuck to the material, we have
> stayed on point, we opened with interest the subject matter and out of
> the community of cognition, comes this remarkable comment on Swedenborg
> and Boehme by Dr. Steiner. Lifted up for all those who visit and
> research, lifted up and carried by Steve. I am humbled by what Steve
> found. But Steve did not remain in mouse squeaks or mouse bites, he
> went directly to a profoundly connected insight, as Carynlouise has done
> and Carol has done and Jean-Marc usually does. Working on the community
> of cognition and Spiritual Science schooling together.
> No Steve didn't get lost, underestimate or turn the subject into a
> game. He offered rich invigorating clarity. And I know there are many
> who check in on this list just as we check in on what other researchers
> are doing. But this avenue out to the Outer Planets and how we discover
> these planetary mysteries in our Etheric bodies and in our biographies
> and in the depths of Zarathustra himself...and Occult Science, adds
> volumes, volumes to true, living research. How community like. Frank
> and Simone working on the Guidelines and just as they work at the
> guidelines they come to a translation of the guidelines, but we are
> directly wading through the intense background roots of what those
> individual guidelines describe.
> Anthroposophical Guidelines 84
> 84. The forces which work into the earthly realms of nature and
> humanity by spiritual beings reveal themselves to the human spirit
> through true, spiritual knowledge of the star-worlds.
> (Translated by Frank Thomas Smith,
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy_world/> )
> Anthroposophical Leading Thoughts 84
> 84. The forces, working from spiritual Beings into the earthly kingdoms
> of Nature and into the kingdom of Man, are revealed to the human Spirit
> in the true that is, the spiritual knowledge of the starry
> (http://www.rsarchive.org/ <http://www.rsarchive.org/> )
> There a Guideline and Anthro Guideline is presented and there it sits.
> Except here it doesn't sit, we are wading deep into the etheric
> body...errr for a few of us at least we are dipping our toes into actual
> etheric thinking and connecting aspects that the community of cognition
> generally skims over or is happy to have a set of words in front of
> them, but are too cowardly to approach their meaning. They might stare
> at the words and feel very warm by repeating and staring at the words
> but what happens when you penetrate the crisp guidelines and penetrate,
> dip your toe into the etheric worlds whence arise the laws and
> objectivity of the Guidelines? Mostly in the past we had nothing but
> selfish pop shots, and egotistic personality bouts, but rarely and
> hardly ever do you find the community of cognition able to take each
> persons research a step further and richer and thereby enriching the
> whole tenor of the subject be looked at.
> I hope those who drop in and swim around in these topics and swim out
> through the back door understand beyond their selfish egotism what a
> rich, rich potential we could open and follow if we merely stay on point
> instead of snip and snipe. For the cognitive community of Michael could
> be something amazing and enriching from all quarters. But it requires
> flashes of maturity and ability to connect, fathom and show interest in
> subject that may not have anything to do with our own constant nagging
> subjective dullness. But rather the rich interest we show in the
> objective insights is of far greater value in just a few posts of focus
> than all the little one liner, rather thoughtless baby quips that rather
> say, gee, I don't understand, believe or comprehend what you guys or
> Steiner is trying to say, but ha, ha, ha, ha, it all must be so damn
> The funniest thing about it all, is that we don't have all that much
> time to dawdle in our Michael interests... The Sun Feast of Michael that
> Spiritual Science is offering will not be around dominating and
> inspiring a Sun Culture much beyond say two incarnations...and after
> that, while you scoff and diddle a whole new monster Time Spirit will
> shift the entire paradigm and the great Sun wisdom will no longer easily
> be there before us. Such aspects of Cognitive Community, that which
> Simone is doing as well... build up and of course there are those who
> have the mission, of tearing down...constructively tearing down. At
> least the highly complex excuses Tom makes reveal a conscious
> destructive spiral that intends to and has always in the past tended to
> face off with those who think that superficial prejudice and group hugs
> while avoiding living cognition on your own ground, needing groups to
> hide and giggle with, has stirred Tom in a most magnificent mask tearing
> down act of living cognition. Tom is capable of putting some of Humpty
> together again after it lays shattered in pieces. And sometimes
> shattering the subjective gnarly dishonesty is more important than
> productive upbuilding and richly shared research.
> Thank-You STeve and Thank-you cognitive community of Michael this is how
> we unravel and learn to meet the requirements of igniting the first
> little sparks of how the genesis of Earth as a New Sun starts somewhere
> in the perception of the Etheric and somewhere in our first hazy field
> trips into the mercurial sphere of higher understanding. Mercurial
> higher understanding or in Tom's present case, lower case mercurial
> dissolving. For by understanding in a mercurial and rich way, we
> penetrate into the etheric worlds and start to open the doors where the
> rest of the world lags, refuses and denies and prides itself on teaching
> daily the entire corruption of insight instead of the mercurial accuracy
> of insight.
> From lecture 2 of Man In the Past, Present, and Future, Stuttgart 15
> September, 1923
> "Now just as our relation to the Moon can appear in a one-sided form in
> men as an inheritance of an older period of human evolution, with the
> result that they become sleep-walkers, or, again, as the spiritual
> forces of the Sun may emerge so that a man will not see the sunlight
> with open eyes but will see into the darkness in which Nature is
> mirrored, and then he will see as Boehme did in the same way it is
> possible to experience our relation to the forces of Saturn, which work
> particularly on the head and implant in the human being a passing memory
> during his life on the Earth. These Saturn-forces can appear in a
> peculiar way, and just as we can talk of "Moon-men" who are the ordinary
> sleep-walkers, and of "Sun-men" such as Boehme, or in a lesser degree,
> Paracelsus, so we can also speak of a Saturn-man. This is what
> Swedenborg was. His is another case which should worry ordinary science
> though it does not!
> Swedenborg was master of the ordinary science of his time and was
> regarded as an authority. Up to his fortieth year he was thoroughly
> orthodox in his views and said nothing to which ordinary science might
> take exception. Then he suddenly became befogged. Actually we ought to
> say that the Saturn-forces became active in him, though people with an
> ordinary materialistic outlook say that he went mad. But it ought to
> make us pause to realize that there are so many surviving works of his
> which are recognized as scientific and are being published by a Swedish
> Society. The most distinguished scholars in Sweden are occupied just now
> in publishing his works works, that is, written shall we say,
> before he attained spiritual vision. There is something unpleasant in
> having to deal with a man who up to his fortieth year was the most
> brilliant man of his age and after that must, to put it mildly, be
> called a fool!
> Actually Swedenborg did not become a fool, but, at a particular moment,
> just after he had reached the heights of ordinary science, he began to
> see into the spiritual world. When this power of vision reached his head
> the organ he had developed to so high a level and when it
> was influenced by the spirituality of Saturn, he had his own special
> power of vision, not the vision of Boehme who saw the inner secrets of
> Nature mirrored in the darkness, but direct vision into the etheric,
> where the patterns of a higher spirituality appear. And thus he was able
> to give his own descriptions of them though he did not actually
> see what he imagined he had, for the spirit-beings to whom he was
> referring are different. Nor on the other hand was it a mere earthly
> reflection of these spirits; he saw etheric forms and the activities of
> spirits in the etheric. He saw in the ether of the Earth the deeds of
> the spirits, though not the spirits themselves. Whereas Boehme saw
> reflection of Nature, Swedenborg saw what was accomplished in the
> etheric by the spirits whose activity was all he could see. Thus when he
> describes Angels, it is not Angels whom he sees but etheric forms.
> Nevertheless, these forms were actually the work of Angels a
> picture of the activity of Angels. We must always keep our eyes on the
> reality of such things. And whereas it would be an error to claim that
> Swedenborg saw the spiritual world as such (that was not his peculiar
> power,) yet it was a reality that he say.
> The ordinary sleep-walker does something real, does with his physical
> body what he ought to do only with his astral body. Boehme saw with his
> physical body, particularly with his eyes, which were organized in such
> a way that he could exclude the physical and see into the darkness, but
> in that darkness he saw the light, the mirroring of Nature-spirits.
> Swedenborg did not see mirror-pictures, but etheric pictures of a
> spiritual existence of a higher order. Here we have an upward process
> from the sleep-walker who, being permeated by spirit, does not see but
> acts automatically, through what I may perhaps call the natural second
> sight of Boehme who saw not the external side of Nature but the mirror
> of his inner side, up to Swedenborg who saw not mirror-pictures but
> reality in the etheric, the picture of activities which proceed in
> higher spiritual regions. "
... by ... Carol, this is Karen s final communication to me, and I find it perplexing. It seems to have more to do with Bruce than me, but Karen was alwaysMessage 143 of 143 , Mar 31, 2008View Source
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "carol" <organicethics@...> wrote:
> Ok, sorry Bruce, I evidently wasn't aware of what you described.
> Perhaps Karen now faces a necessary life lesson of refining her use of
> 'tact'. When I consider this from an Anthroposophic perspective, I see
> it as becoming able to spread oneself out over larger 'soul terrain' by
> engaging a more controlled Will force which takes into itself highly
> creative soul forces.
> Again, consciousness soul stuff, what can I say. I guess it really is
> tough stuff in the end...
> Good day, carol.
Carol, this is Karen's final communication to me, and I find it perplexing. It seems to have more to do with Bruce than me, but Karen was always confusing us. Here it is:So my dear, unable at any time to deal with the unpleasant karma
between us because of course Bruce has been manipulating my post for
the past year, and deliberatly placing things out of context and we've
never been able to honestly deal with the karmic situation. I suppose
at least bruce is posting from his archives now instead of everthing
he was holing up and holding back so that he could write up on it in
spiritualscience. Not to worry i dont.
I dont like having bad feeling s towards people and for the most part
I certainly don't.
So from my part I wish you bliss, love, happiness and joy but I guess
its not what you want.. whatever it is.. if its good and from God I
hope you get it :)
I will be logging in from time to time I hope to clear the archives. I
like doing it, deleting everything I've written -
God blessSteve: Of course, I can't express anything from Bruce. I can only express from a loving influence which you seem now to give to me in part. I like it because I hate the stress that you impose on my soul. It hurts very much. So, thanks for these weak, tenuous words, and I hope that you know that your place is better than mine.Steve