On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:03:41AM -0800 or thereabouts, iazul wrote:
> Let me go over this slowly. So the cosmos has
> incarnations, which we could say are like phases,
> right? And each one of them is a real, actual,
> physical event just like the current incarnation we
> are in? I mean, do they occur physically in space and
> time and as we understand them?
Part right. You don't get physical as we know it until the Earth incarnation. Each incarnation has different laws. Physical means cause and effect are simultaneous in time and space.
> > 4. The Earth incarnation is our own.
> When you say Saturn, Sun, Moon etc - you mean those
> incarnations actually took place in those physical
> bodies in the sky that we know today as
> Saturn, Sun, Moon etc? Or is it only a manner of
> speaking?? I know this may be an obvious question but
> to me it isn't really, sorry!!!
Negative. The Saturn incarnation was non-spatial, ie something you could only 'see' in your mind's eye, something inward or better as degrees of warmth of feeling in your heart. If you must have a physical image then by analogy it would stretch from the present sun to the saturn orbit but be one planet. Saturn included only the possibility of the Sun which had not yet been born.
> Now to the Earth incarnation: is it supposed to have
> started more or less according to what conventional
> Science believes (big bang etc)?
Negative. Modern theory is the extrapolation of measurements way beyond their validity. It could only be correct if human consciousness had never ever changed significantly. Just because. e.g. the laws of radioactivity have constants now then how does this prove those constants have always been the same? Could there have been a time when all the constants were 0? That is could there have been a time when there was no radioactivity? If so how can modern theories be correct? Worse who decided that measurement was the be-all and end-all of truth?
> The meditations and exercises Steiner explains are
> supposed to be helpful for the purpose you mentioned
Yes. They help you start to pay attention and think for yourself.