For clarity to AWS and Blue Otter regarding my last entry was not to discredit Chief Oconostota nor John Sevier. Apparantly Welsh standards appear not to be considered maternal in regard to other traditions; namely Anglos and Saxons etc., ...so that may have some bearing as Welsh Kings have made major contrubutions to the stability of Brittan since ancient times.
Such books published in Welsh or perhaps French may have preceeded an English version of simular books, but in this case I doubt it.
"The book," complete : being the whole of the depositions on the investigation of the conduct of the Princess of Wales, before Lords Erskine, Spencer, Grenville, and Ellenborough, the four commissioners of inquiry, appointed by the King, in the year 1806 (1813)
Again no lose search of a Modoc wasn't found.... not in English. Perhaps there is a mention of an adoption as is the Welsh case of the Biblical [Princess] Claudia/Gladies in the early 1st century.
Regardless of my views the name Modoc itself wasn't chosen or to be taken lightly in battle torn regions on the mainland or the isles where the Welsh have trod or claims throughout the midwestern regions of the United States. As far as I am aware of no respected anylist has been brought to my knowledge regarding a report of Servier or account of Oconostota as a hoax. My spoof comment regards my own ignorance. I simplely don't have or know of any futher documentation that I currently cling too.
As far as other AWS material the maps in the 2nd volume if I can find them [out of copyright] mentioned in vol 1 full text as:
LIST OF EMBELLISHMENTS AND MAPS
yOLUME THE SECOND
discrption and info:
of pesonal interest...
GENERAL STATEMENT OF CONTENTS.
Mosquitoes General Appearance of the Circassian Terri-
tory Watch-Towers CIMMERIAN BOSPORUS Temrook
Text of Strabo and Pliny reconciled Fortress and Ruins
Sienna Remarkable Tomb Antiquity of Arches Milesian
Gold Bracelet Origin of Temples CEPOE Fortress of
Taman Taman Ruins of Phanagoria Tmutaracan
Amphitheatre Other Remains Prekla Volcano Inscrip-
tions at Taman.
Also of interst at University of Cal Archives
...Catalogue of foreign literature (1898)http://www.archive.org/stream/catalogueofforei00sanfrich#page/n3/mode/2up
Chinook dictionary hhttp://www.archive.org/details/chinookdictionar00shawrich
Catalogue of publications of societies and of other periodical works in the library of the Smithsonian institution, July 1, 1858. Foreign works - Smithsonian Institution
...and the list goes on
I will have a library again I can call my digital childern.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...> wrote:
> I have found a "Modoc" rather than Madoc in North America but he wasn't a distant seafaring prince...he was later than 1810 and of the Modoc Tribe itself. Modoc's nickname was Captian Jack. From what I gather this seems more like a Welsh pre pentecostal movement and maybe somewhat a spoof. It is said that this west coast tribe was closely related to Klamath who formaly lived in sw Oregon. European encounters seem to vary, ..moreso than any other North American tribe between my lexicon and North American Ency.
> I also found two others of Maternal decent that may apply to the name Modoc or Madoc. A Sicambrian by the name of Merodach [95 BCE] and Moda, 6th generation of Thor... both sons of Hector different line.
> Other than these 3 posibillities and the two others mentioned this seems to be regional matter as far as speculation of a Madoc prince.
> --- In email@example.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation <prophecykeepersdotcom@> wrote:
> > John Sevier, Tennesseeâ€™s first governor, in response to a request written to
> > him in 1810 by a researcher into the history of Louisiana, wrote the following.
> > Knoxville, 9 October, 1810
> > Sir:
> > * Your letter of Aug.30 ult.,is before me. With respect to the information you
> > have requested, I shall with pleasure give you so far as my own memory will now
> > serve me; and also aided by a memorandum taken on the subject, of a nation of
> > people called the Welsh Indians. In the year 1782 I was on a campaign against
> > some part of the Cherokees; during the route I had discovered trace of very
> > ancient thoâ€™ regular fortifications. Some short time after the expedition I had
> > an occasion to enter into a negotiation with the Cherokee Chiefs for the
> > purpose of exchanging prisoners. Mter the exchange had been settled, I took an
> > opportunity of enquiring of a venerable old chief called Oconostota, who then
> > and had been for nearly sixty years the niling chief of the Cherokee Nation, if
> > he could inform me what people it had been which had left such signs of
> > Fortifications in their Country and in PreColumbian Explorer Sites in the
> > Southeast particular the one on the bank of Highwassee River. The old chief
> > immediately informed me: "It was handed down by the Forefathers that the works
> > had been made by the white people who had formerly inhabited the Country, and
> > at the same time the Cherokees resided low down in the country now called South
> > Carolina; that a war had existed between the two nations for several years. At
> > length it was discovered that the whites were making a number of large Boats
> > which induced the Cherokees to suppose they were about to Descend the Tennessee
> > River. They then assembled their whole band of warriors and took the shortest
> > and most convenient route to the Muscle Shoals in order to intercept them on
> > thek passage down the river. In a few days the Boats hove in sight. A warm
> > combat ensued with various success for several days. At length the whites
> > proposed to the Indians that they would exchange prisoners and cease
> > hostilities, they would leave the Country and never more return, which was
> > acceded to; and after the exchange parted friendly. That the whites then
> > Descended the Tennessee down to the Ohio, thence down to the big river (the
> > Mississippi) then they ascended it up to the Muddy River (the Missouri) and
> > thence up that river for a great distance. That they were then on some of its
> > branches, but, says he, they are no more a white people; they are now all
> > become Indians, and look like the other red people or the Country."
> > * I then asked him if he had ever heard any of his ancestors saying what
> > nation of people these whites belonged to. He answered: "He had heard his
> > Grandfather and Father say they were a people called Welsh; that they had
> > crossed the Great Water and landed first near the mouth of the Alabama River
> > near Mobile and had been drove up to the heads of the waters until they bad
> > arrived at Highwassee River by the Mexican Indians who bad been drove out of
> > their own Country by the Spaniards."
> > * Many years ago I happened in company with a French-man, who had lived with
> > the Cherokees and said he had formerly been high up the Missouri. He informed
> > me he had traded with the Welsh tribe; that they certainly spoke much of the
> > Welsh dialect, and thoâ€™ their customs was savage and wild yet many of them,
> > particularly the females, were very fair and white, and frequently told him
> > that they had sprung from a white nation of people. He also stated that some
> > small scraps of old books remained among them, but in such tattered and
> > destructive order that nothing intelligent remained in the pieces or scraps
> > left. He observed, their settlement was in an obscure quarter on a branch of
> > the Missouri running through a bed of lofty mountains. His name has escaped my
> > memory.
> > * The chief Oconostota informed me: "An old woman in his nation called Peg had
> > some part of an old book given her by an Indian who had lived high up the
> > Missouri, and thought it was one of the Welsh tribe." Before I had an
> > opportunity of seeing it, her house and all the contents burnt. I have seen
> > persons who had seen parts of a very old and disfigured book with this old
> > Indian woman, but neither of them could make any discovery of what language it
> > was printed in (neither of them understood languages, but a small smattering of
> > English).
> > * I have thus, Sir, communicated and detailed the particulars of your request,
> > so far as I have any information on the subject, and wish it were more
> > comprehensive than you will find it written.