Hello people. Maybe this is not a hotly debated topic any more since the outsourcing to India fire appears to have died down a little. I am 33 years old, andMessage 1 of 146 , May 28, 2007View SourceHello people.
Maybe this is not a hotly debated topic any more since the
outsourcing to India fire appears to have died down a little. I am 33
years old, and got interested in software development a long time ago
(when I was about 12) because as well as promising me a stimulating
avenue to apply my prodigious intellect (no, truly), it was the ideal
job that I could do without having to travel to or work in an office
block with other people.
More than twenty years on, I find that I am trapped in the absurd
position where not only am I ensconced in a cubical, but that
contemporary software development by and large, mandates collocation
as a practise that is critical to the successful outcome of a
project. The future is promising me no release from the clutches of
this intrusive practise that is a vestige of the industrial era
factory floor. While it appears as if a significant proportion of
people find as I have, many also appear to have resigned themselves
to the ignorant mediocrity of the masses.
There appears to be very little comparative evidence between
collocated and remote teams. All I hear is charismatic evangelists
sprouting off the natural advantages that collocation offers, and
condemning remote teaming. I'd like to use all of my charisma to
point out that these people whom everyone dotes over for wisdom and
guidance, appear to me, almost as ignorant as I am.
What are people's opinions on what I've just said?
I think there'd be a juicy PhD there for someone; maybe me. Although
to be honest, I cut code. I'd rather be a code-cutting member of a
remote, virtual team.
Thanks for your consideration, and I'd love to hear what you've got
Here here Ron! Remote teamwork may be possible but it certainly isn t ideal. Close collaboration without co-location is a compromise, sometimes an essentialMessage 146 of 146 , Jul 11, 2007View SourceHere here Ron! Remote teamwork may be possible but it certainly
isn't ideal. Close collaboration without co-location is a
compromise, sometimes an essential one, but not one you'd advocate
as part of any methodology.
I sometimes like to think of this in terms of new business
startups. How many people would start a business and think, "I
know, let's base our development teams in multiple locations and
have the business owners of the product we're building in a
different place to the developers." For logistical reasons, sales
and other field-based teams maybe, for product development I think
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Ron Jeffries
> Hello, Owen. On Sunday, June 3, 2007, at 11:01:30 PM, you wrote:
> > I realise that many people aren't in my position such that they
> > want hard facts to decide. Many are going to trust the opinionsof other
> > people they may think have seasoned opinions, because theyhaven't got
> > the time or the interest to decide for themselves. However, ifJohn
> > Kern's business, as a case in point, can demonstrate that the usepossible,
> > communications tools to facilitate a remote team discussion is
> > then shouldn't the Agile community be a little less hard onremote
> > teaming?want
> Owen, even Jon said that together would be better. Why would we
> to recommend something that wasn't the best we know?
> Ron Jeffries
> The fact that we know more today, and are more capable today,
> is good news about today, not bad news about yesterday.