Josh, there s no need to be all formal and latin with us. I appreciate the respect, but a lot of times I find it silly and oxymoronic that all these prophetsMessage 1 of 7 , Jul 11, 2008View SourceJosh, there's no need to be all formal and latin with us. I appreciate the respect, but a lot
of times I find it silly and oxymoronic that all these prophets taught us to call each other
family, and even THAT we had to turn into official titles! Its a habit I'm hoping the esoteric
community will get over, so we can ditch the pomp and just enjoy each others minds and
"Success is a journey: not a destination." This operation began long before you formally
initiated it, and it will continue long after you think you've concluded it. The Way is the
Never-ending Road and Story - its the Path that we all walk upon. A ritual like Abramelin
is just meant to kick it into high gear.
> I also have to spend time now reading the Psalms. That entire way of thinking is aliento me.
All the more reason to seek to understand it and become comfortable with it. That's more
power to YOU.
> All the guilt and dependence on another instead of oneself is something I amThe guilt is tangential to the heart of the psalms, but it helps to consider it as a very
> not used to, and in some ways even find repulsive. But as a
> magician is supposed to do, I am jumping straight into the "spirit"
> of things and adopting any mindset and paradigm that will help with
> my working.
personal kind of feeling in relationship to a personal god. The ancient Israelites had a
much more intimate relationship with their god than the later exoterics who assimilated
their works. Judaism is not like a lot of Christianity where there is this giant gap between
us and God and we have to depend on all this intervention via priests and angels and
saints and the holy family to communicate with a totally abstract deity. Judaism, at least in
its earlier forms, was a very practical religion in which Yahweh was very familiar and
intimate. You got to know your god not as some abstraction, but in a very personal way -
as a friend, guardian, and guide. He wasn't just God -- he was YOUR god, and you could
converse, argue, and depend on him just as much as he on you. So when you felt guilt and
sought atonement, it wasn't so much a cosmic thing, I believe, as it was a personal one -
you offended your friend, mentor, and protector. Israel is married and bound to Yahwah
inextricably, and so for us, its all very personal.
As far as depending on another, you already do so -- its just a matter of acknowledging it.
We are all part of an interdependent universe -- from the most lofty Deity down to the
smallest atom. None of us can or do exist in true isolation. Our ego robs us of true being,
wisdom, understanding, and happiness by confining our minds to its own particular
version of things. We seek to break that hold by humbling ourselves and acknowledging
our dependence on the Great Wholeness of which we are all a part. In a greater sense, we
ARE THE I AM (Eheieh asher Eheieh), but until that consciousness becomes second nature,
we appeal to the Divine Fullness as one who has become separated from it and seeks
> And I am definitely taking your advice on reading up on the religousWilliam Dever and Richard Friedman's books are excellent if you want to learn more about
> aspects and background of the Abramelin as well.
the history, archeology, and linguistics behind the Jewish Bible (Tanakh) and religion.
There's also a lot of good information around the web on the background and nature of
Abramelin specifically - Aaron's articles are really good, and look also for an article called
"An Abramelin Ramble".
> I am an initiate in the Western Ceremonial Tradition and as such am required to studyMost of us on here are Western Trad ourselves, and pretty much all of us have been
> lots of this stuff, even if I don't personally agree with their
> ethics or whole belief system. But there is still much to learn and
> I have far to go, even after this rite.
exposed to it through our upbringings and living in the western world. Try not to look at
the study so much as a chore, as a chance to solve mysteries and to gain insights that will
empower you in your work. Ask questions while you study, such as "why did they arrive at
this belief? Why the emphasis on these precepts? What's the meaning and method behind
this particular practice? What would it have been like to live in that milieu? What did they
experience? How does this relate to my experience?" etc. Engage with it actively -- make
it personal and wrestle with it like any good yeshiva boy! So often in the West we've been
taught to just absorb knowledge passively, but the whole spirit of Judaism is about critical
thinking, questioning, and contending with God and the world for the sake of Justice and
Truth. Don't settle for anything less -- to do so is a disservice to these traditions.
> Wish me luck!I do more than wish you luck - I wish you peace and wisdom, and total fulfillment :)
Care Frater et Sorors: I know Dave, be less formal...Lol. These are just habits, like saying good afternoon when it may be anything but or shaking handsMessage 2 of 7 , Jul 11, 2008View SourceCare Frater et Sorors:
I know Dave, be less formal...Lol. These are just habits, like
saying "good afternoon" when it may be anything but or shaking hands
even though I don't know where the other's hands have been.
But to the point, while online looking up the Psalms of David, their
meaning, history, versions, etc., I ran across something called the
Apocryphal Psalsms of David at:
It fits well, in my humble opinion, with the other Psalms, and is
supposed to come from "Gnostic" sources.
Wow, reading the Psalms was like reading "The Sacred Magician." Now
I know where so much of Bloom's "I am a lowly worm" came from.
I read, Dave, about your advice on realizing that all of existence
is somehow "dependent" on each other. I view even this as having
serious limitations. For example, millions of people die each day
and it affects my life not at all, just as millions more are born
with the same result. Whether or not they have ANY effect on me is
relative and at most circumstantial. Even with the people I meet on
a regular basis, how many of them actually have any effect on my
life? The LHP view is in taking more control and responsibility
over our own lives as competent adults, not children that are always
dependent on some "parent figure," God, the government, a sugar-
momma, or anyone else. As with all things, I view it as an act of
balance. In some things I am dependent on others, with other things
not, and it's all circumstantial. But for this ritual I am very
aware of my dependence on the Most High and my HGA for success.
Though I make sure I do what I can on my end to help make this
relationship work and take it to the next level.
I am speaking again from a very LHP point of view. For this ritual
at least, I am adopting something different. but how far I am
willing to go before I start smelling b.s. is but only so far.
Right now as I write this there is, ironically, an episode
of "Simpsons" on my TV that is going over many biblical stories,
starting from Genesis and going through to the New Testament. Of
course, I do not think that the Bible according to Matt Groenig is
what the author(s) of the Abramelin had in mind when they said to
study religous material, but I found it necessary. When studing the
texts of any of the world's major relgions, you're going to run into
some craziness. And in too many places while reading the Bible
today when looking up the Psalms of David and other stuff, I
couldn't help but see how much the Creator comes off looking like a
dangerous, infantile psychopath. If I read one more case of "God's
people" getting ordered by God to massacre, enslave or attack others
any time soon it will be too much. I do try to keep in mind that
all religious texts, no matter what religion, were written by people
and reflect the mentality of their times, though that doesn't mean I
endorse it. I have to wade through many thorn bushes, and much
manure, just to get to a few roses.
I also realize that the Abramelin Ritual is all about creating a
more "personal" relationship with the Divine. As such, there should
as a result be less dependence on the writings and teachings of
another and more on what one individually learns through personal
experience with God to be true. That is pretty much where I am now,
or at least trying to get to. I am looking at religious writings
because that is a requirement, including the Psalms of David. What
relevance it has for me in the future, if any, is still unknown.
But again, this is just another part of my journey I have yet to
complete and I don't know what it will look like till I get there.
But the Psalsms of David was interesting and it answers much of what
I wondered about Bloom's thinking and writing. And there were
beautiful sections in there that talked much about total faith and
trust in God and that all will work out great in His hands. The
verses were something that spoke deeply to me while in the
performance of this rite. As was said before on this forum, this
rite is still much an "act of faith" and his words helped much at
this time. I am just going to have to be more selective in what I
read if I am to be able to stomach more of the required religious
Alright, I'll try to stop sounding so "negative." Now you see why I
had to inject humor into my life today, even if it was by looking at
a "Simpsons" episode.
But now, back to my reading before I go to sleep...