Funny Gary, you never mentioned the part about getting arrested by a backcountry
ranger in GCNP for camping without a permit, being fined and banned by the
magistrate for 2 years. Just thought full disclosure was appropriate.
Glad you're still getting out buddy.
--- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, "cgptsnaz" <cgptsnaz@...> wrote:
> Someone once said "Freedom is not free", ain't that the truth. Everywhere we turn someone wants to charge more and more to do things that should be free. I stopped hiking in the Grand Canyon because in 2001 they started charging a $5 fee to go hike/camp in the wilderness of the back country where no one maintains the trails, and where life is as it has been for millions of years. We have to pay to get into "Our Parks", we have to pay more to stay in "Public Campgounds" and even more to hike on trails built for the enjoyment of the wilderness. Yes, someone built those trails, miners in the late 1800s and now maintained by park employees. But they do not cost that much to maintain, only the price people who want more and more money, get a raise and have more and more material goods in order to be able to take a 2 week vacation and go to a national park.
> I don't believe when John Muir, the father of the Sierra Club and the person who convinced Teddy Roosevelt that they needed to protect Yosemite ever would have conceived that the same government would charge its citizen's to use the lands set aside for all.
> $5 does not seem like much to weekend hikers, but I used to go there and hike on as much as 28 day hikes and stay from October to April going into places in the back country few others ever see.
> This I did during my 6-9 month vacations after working 3-6 months a year saving so I could do nothing but enjoy our "Wild America" as Marty Stouffer used to say.
> I camp 276 days a year on average while unemployed during the months of September to May (Labor Day to Memorial Day) and during that amount of nights I am rarely in public campsites but deep in wilderness or (during long bicycle tours) along the old highways and byways, forestry roads and bike trails (where allowed) in the USA.
> I have never owned or learned to drive a car, owned a house or made mortgage payments on one, I bought a tent,pack,sleeping bag and boots and went hiking on what used to be free ground. The federal government that actually owns all the parks and not "We The People" can and will continue to charge good hard working, law abiding (and law breaking) citizens to hike, camp,climb,park and even take pictures for as long as the further history of America goes on. But not me for I will not pay to sleep in my own equipment on the ground that Nature has created deep in wilderness.
> When I go hiking and biking few others know where I am, except me brother and sister and a few choice friends. I don't use trail registers, or let many know where I am and what I am doing till I have come out of the area's I go and made trip reports to certain outdoor clubs and websites. And 99% of the time I go alone as I know few who have learned to live free and not be a slave to making money to survive in this or any country in the world.
> --- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, "cgptsnaz" <cgptsnaz@> wrote:
> > 15 minutes is taking my time. I work near Zion over in Mt Carmel Jct. But only during the summer months May to September. September to May I take vacation, do not own any house besides my tent and have never driven a vehicle other than a bicycle.
> > I trade time for money. I live on $200 a month when cycle touring and backpacking and have since 1977. I live just as cheaply now as I did when I was 21, thirty seven years ago.
> > And yes it is a matter of chosen lifestyle. In places that want permits I do day hikes and stay outside the park in free wooded areas.On the road when touring I find areas off the road where camping is free, wood for fires is plentiful and I have few or no camping neighbors, just the natural wildlife as guests.
> > I used to frequent national parks and use permits. Now I tend to go to wilderness areas and national forests and stay for free and never use registration boxes to tell I am in the areas.
> > --- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, "hwstockman" <hwstock@> wrote:
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> > > 15 minutes? That's slow ;^)
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> > > For many people who have purchased permits for Zion, rented gear, and driven 500 miles (maybe even gotten plane tickets), $50 is not all that much. It's a matter of chosen lifestyle; One essentially trades money for time.
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> > > I've camped in Zion far more often than used a motel. But when you have time and job constraints (and a job that yields a commensurate income), a motel can add a lot of comfort. I've arrived late, been in Zion when if was <20F at night, and been there when it barely got below 90F at night. At such times, a motel was a comfort.
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> > > --- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, "cgptsnaz" <cgptsnaz@> wrote:
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> > > > I guess if you are not a seasoned camper it would be difficult to break camp at any time of day. [...] I can break camp in 15 minutes or less depending on what I sat up.[...] $50 is not cheap to me when I am traveling even by bicycle, I can eat for a week on that.
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