Ed s message confirms Lavery s notes, in Nelson s Navy , on US naval practice. There was, of course, no possibility of admiral s rank, since the USA had noMessage 1 of 29 , Sep 1, 2001View SourceEd's message confirms Lavery's notes, in "Nelson's Navy", on US naval
There was, of course, no possibility of admiral's rank, since the USA
had no fleet, being a frigate and sloop navy; the firepower of the
entire US navy would not have matched that of just one medium-sized
European battlefleet at sea.
The senior frigate captains promoted to Commodore, such as
Bainbridge, Hull, Decatur, seem to have guarded the title jealously,
however, since it was the highest rank they could achieve in the US
Navy, even if in fact a temporary one. They could not become admirals
with a permanent title as could their British, French, Spanish,
Swedish, Dutch and so on, counterparts.
--- In WarOf1812@y..., Armchairadm@c... wrote:
> Commodore is, in fact a temporary or honorary title / rank in the
US Navy of
> the War of 1812 period. It is applied to the senior officer
> group of warships. It is true that many US naval officers
continued to fly a
> Commodore's Broad Pennant on a semi-permanent basis & insisted on
> addressed as Commodore, however there is no permanent rank above
> Capt. in the US Navy prior to 1862.
> Ed Bolla
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I ve been picking at these doubled over wool strips for three months whenever I get the chance. I ve been told that the fringe on our 4th Foot (GrenadierMessage 1 of 29 , Jun 19, 2006View SourceI've been picking at these doubled over wool strips for three months
whenever I get the chance. I've been told that the fringe on our 4th
Foot (Grenadier Company) shoulder epaulettes was made this way.
Is that correct?
Is there a simpler method than the laborious picking of single strands?
AND for God's sake, can you buy this pre-made of a correct
construction and quality?
Inquiring minds want to know.
4th Foot (The Kings Own)
On the Gulf Coast
... Terminology clarification: only officers coats have epaulettes... ranker and NCO coats have shoulder straps . Line companies have shoulder straps withMessage 1 of 29 , Jun 20, 2006View Source--- In WarOf1812@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie McCulloh"
>Terminology clarification: only officers' coats have epaulettes...
> I've been picking at these doubled over wool strips for three months
> whenever I get the chance. I've been told that the fringe on our 4th
> Foot (Grenadier Company) shoulder epaulettes was made this way.
> Is that correct?
> Is there a simpler method than the laborious picking of single strands?
> AND for God's sake, can you buy this pre-made of a correct
> construction and quality?
> Inquiring minds want to know.
> Charlie McCulloh
> 4th Foot (The Kings Own)
> On the Gulf Coast
ranker and NCO coats have "shoulder straps".
Line companies have shoulder straps with rather large tufts along
their base (where the shoulder strap is sewn in to the top of the arm
Grenadier and Light Company coats generally don't have similar tufts.
They have, instead, "wings", which are small pieces of fabric sewn in
to the top of the arm seam that sort of hang down a few inches over
the sleeve. These "wings" are edged in regimental lace, with 6
"darts" of regimental lace spaced evenly but at an angle across their
width from the seam to the bottom edge of the wing (the part closest
to the ground when you wear the coat).
Some wings have, in addition to regimental lace edging their bottom, a
"fringe" of strands of wool. This strand seems to vary in its size
from unit to unit - in some cases, it seems almost as dense as the
line company shoulder tuft, in other cases, it looks rather minimal.
The logical person(s) to help out on this inquiry (assuming I have
understood and laid it out properly above) would be members of
grenadier companies (and/or maybe light companies) who have some
experience of putting tuft edging on their wings. How about it, guys?
What's the story? This inquiring mind also wants to know.
Line Company, 41st - "No expert in grenadier or light company wing