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• I m really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14. If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0 Does this
Message 1 of 10 , May 18, 2012
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I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.

If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0

Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?

Something else?

• Here is an example: Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312. Hope that helps!
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Here is an example:

Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.

Hope that helps!

From: nightwasp33 <jim@...>
To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??

I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.

If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0

Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?

Something else?

• Thank you. I didn t understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt. So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs.
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Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.

So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.

Jim

On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@...> wrote:

Here is an example:

Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.

Hope that helps!

From: nightwasp33 <jim@...>
To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??

I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.

If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0

Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?

Something else?

• Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed
Message 1 of 10 , May 18, 2012
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Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed proportionately weak or strong. However, there is a "common sense clause" in that particularly obese PCs should not be powerhouses at lifting and carrying despite the body weight rule.

The example I used when proposing the rule was a family of kharakhan giants looking down sadly at grandpa, who had just collapsed. "We'll just have to leave him here."

On May 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Jim Alcala Sales <jim@...> wrote:

Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.

So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.

Jim

On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@...> wrote:

Here is an example:

Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.

Hope that helps!

From: nightwasp33 <jim@...>
To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??

I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.

If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0

Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?

Something else?

• I think the details of Tipop s example was that the straight STR and weight lifting rules explained why the Kharakhan giants were nomadic -- when one died,
Message 1 of 10 , May 18, 2012
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I think the details of Tipop's example was that the straight STR and weight lifting rules explained why the Kharakhan giants were nomadic -- when one died, even the rest of the group was not strong enough to move him, so they had to move away or live with the corpse!

I seem to recall we looked at changing the encumbrance rule for 5th edition, but we really couldn't find anything that was better and as simple.  There are shortcomings with the rules as is, but after we brainstormed a while, there isn't much of a fix for that beyond adding more complex rules, which is not in line with the simple Tal ruleset.

From: Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@...>
To: "Talislanta@yahoogroups.com" <Talislanta@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??

Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed proportionately weak or strong. However, there is a "common sense clause" in that particularly obese PCs should not be powerhouses at lifting and carrying despite the body weight rule.

The example I used when proposing the rule was a family of kharakhan giants looking down sadly at grandpa, who had just collapsed. "We'll just have to leave him here."

On May 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Jim Alcala Sales <jim@...> wrote:

Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.

So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.

Jim

On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@...> wrote:

Here is an example:

Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.

Hope that helps!

From: nightwasp33 <jim@...>
To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??

I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.

If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0

Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?

Something else?

• I thank you both for the further explainations. I just couldn t wrap my head around that a 100 lb person could carry 100 lbs with a STR of 0. It is an easy
Message 1 of 10 , May 18, 2012
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I thank you both for the further explainations. I just couldn't wrap my head around that a 100 lb person could carry 100 lbs with a STR of 0. It is an easy enough rule. I can live with it. :) Thanks.

--- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Doctor Wheat <drwheat00@...> wrote:
>
> I think the details of Tipop's example was that the straight STR and weight lifting rules explained why the Kharakhan giants were nomadic -- when one died, even the rest of the group was not strong enough to move him, so they had to move away or live with the corpse!
>
>
> I seem to recall we looked at changing the encumbrance rule for 5th edition, but we really couldn't find anything that was better and as simple.  There are shortcomings with the rules as is, but after we brainstormed a while, there isn't much of a fix for that beyond adding more complex rules, which is not in line with the simple Tal ruleset.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@...>
> To: "Talislanta@yahoogroups.com" <Talislanta@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed proportionately weak or strong. However, there is a "common sense clause" in that particularly obese PCs should not be powerhouses at lifting and carrying despite the body weight rule.
>
> The example I used when proposing the rule was a family of kharakhan giants looking down sadly at grandpa, who had just collapsed. "We'll just have to leave him here."
>
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Jim Alcala Sales <jim@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.
> >
> >
> >So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Here is an example:
> >>
> >>
> >>Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.
> >>
> >>
> >>Hope that helps!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >> From: nightwasp33 <jim@...>
> >>To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
> >>Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.
> >>
> >>If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0
> >>
> >>Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?
> >>
> >>Something else?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
• I think the problem is that you re thinking of a 100 lb. person as being inherently weak. The thing is, a human who weighs 100 lbs. usually won t have a 0 or
Message 1 of 10 , May 18, 2012
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I think the problem is that you're thinking of a 100 lb. person as being inherently weak. The thing is, a human who weighs 100 lbs. usually won't have a 0 or higher strength. If he does, the little guy is probably pretty wiry and tough. Most people who weigh 100 lbs probably have a strength of -1 or less, in Talislanta terms.

On May 18, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "nightwasp33" <jim@...> wrote:

> I thank you both for the further explainations. I just couldn't wrap my head around that a 100 lb person could carry 100 lbs with a STR of 0. It is an easy enough rule. I can live with it. :) Thanks.
>
> --- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Doctor Wheat <drwheat00@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the details of Tipop's example was that the straight STR and weight lifting rules explained why the Kharakhan giants were nomadic -- when one died, even the rest of the group was not strong enough to move him, so they had to move away or live with the corpse!
>>
>>
>> I seem to recall we looked at changing the encumbrance rule for 5th edition, but we really couldn't find anything that was better and as simple. There are shortcomings with the rules as is, but after we brainstormed a while, there isn't much of a fix for that beyond adding more complex rules, which is not in line with the simple Tal ruleset.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@...>
>> To: "Talislanta@yahoogroups.com" <Talislanta@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed proportionately weak or strong. However, there is a "common sense clause" in that particularly obese PCs should not be powerhouses at lifting and carrying despite the body weight rule.
>>
>> The example I used when proposing the rule was a family of kharakhan giants looking down sadly at grandpa, who had just collapsed. "We'll just have to leave him here."
>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Jim Alcala Sales <jim@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.
>>>
>>>
>>> So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here is an example:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: nightwasp33 <jim@...>
>>>> To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.
>>>>
>>>> If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0
>>>>
>>>> Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?
>>>>
>>>> Something else?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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• I wasn t thinking that a 100 lb person is week. I just didn t think that the encumbrance rule was so unrealistic. It didn t occure to me to think of it the way
Message 1 of 10 , May 21, 2012
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I wasn't thinking that a 100 lb person is week. I just didn't think that the encumbrance rule was so unrealistic. It didn't occure to me to think of it the way you explained.

I was a backpack guide for nearly 15 years. The fitness level of folks I traveled with ranged from somewhat fit, to very fit.

A typical person could carry 1/3 of their body weight before becoming seriously encumbered. The really fit ones could carry 2/3rds to 3/4 their body weight, and even then moved slowly and carefully. No one even came close to carrying their own body weight, ever.

I'm going to assume that the folks of Talislanta are very strong or their weights of measure or gravity are very different that ours. Reguardless, the rule as written allows folks to adventure in armor and carry a bunch of gear and that makes it fun, which is the point I suppose. :) Besides I don't need realism. I want fun. Now that I know how it works, it is very easy to calculate in my head what a person can carry in this system and what they can't.

--- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@...> wrote:
>
> I think the problem is that you're thinking of a 100 lb. person as being inherently weak. The thing is, a human who weighs 100 lbs. usually won't have a 0 or higher strength. If he does, the little guy is probably pretty wiry and tough. Most people who weigh 100 lbs probably have a strength of -1 or less, in Talislanta terms.
>
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "nightwasp33" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> > I thank you both for the further explainations. I just couldn't wrap my head around that a 100 lb person could carry 100 lbs with a STR of 0. It is an easy enough rule. I can live with it. :) Thanks.
> >
> > --- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Doctor Wheat <drwheat00@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the details of Tipop's example was that the straight STR and weight lifting rules explained why the Kharakhan giants were nomadic -- when one died, even the rest of the group was not strong enough to move him, so they had to move away or live with the corpse!
> >>
> >>
> >> I seem to recall we looked at changing the encumbrance rule for 5th edition, but we really couldn't find anything that was better and as simple. There are shortcomings with the rules as is, but after we brainstormed a while, there isn't much of a fix for that beyond adding more complex rules, which is not in line with the simple Tal ruleset.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@>
> >> To: "Talislanta@yahoogroups.com" <Talislanta@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:25 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed proportionately weak or strong. However, there is a "common sense clause" in that particularly obese PCs should not be powerhouses at lifting and carrying despite the body weight rule.
> >>
> >> The example I used when proposing the rule was a family of kharakhan giants looking down sadly at grandpa, who had just collapsed. "We'll just have to leave him here."
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On May 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Jim Alcala Sales <jim@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Here is an example:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope that helps!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: nightwasp33 <jim@>
> >>>> To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
> >>>> Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0
> >>>>
> >>>> Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?
> >>>>
> >>>> Something else?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
• It sounds like you have more experience with encumbrance in the real world than I. I assumed that being able to move your own body weight was considered
Message 1 of 10 , May 21, 2012
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It sounds like you have more experience with encumbrance in the real world than I. I assumed that being able to move your own body weight was considered normal, using myself as an anecdotal guide.

If you want to scale it back a bit without adding much complexity, simply use the current limits as your absolute maximum "dragging" limit. HALF that limit is your maximum carrying capacity, and half THAT is your unencumbered limit.

Thus a typical (Strength 0) person who weighs 180 lbs could carry 45 lbs (evenly distributed in backpack, armor, and gear) without undue hardship. He could carry between 46 and 90 lbs with a -1 to Speed and -2 to endurance-related die rolls. Anything above 90 lbs is in the "push it over or drag it across the ground" territory, and anything over 180 lbs is "call one of the big burly types to move this".

For comparison, a Thrall (Strength +4) who weighs 300 lbs could carry 100 lbs without breaking a sweat, struggle with up to 200, and could drag anything up to 400 lbs with effort.

On May 21, 2012, at 7:57 AM, "nightwasp33" <jim@...> wrote:

> I wasn't thinking that a 100 lb person is week. I just didn't think that the encumbrance rule was so unrealistic. It didn't occure to me to think of it the way you explained.
>
> I was a backpack guide for nearly 15 years. The fitness level of folks I traveled with ranged from somewhat fit, to very fit.
>
> A typical person could carry 1/3 of their body weight before becoming seriously encumbered. The really fit ones could carry 2/3rds to 3/4 their body weight, and even then moved slowly and carefully. No one even came close to carrying their own body weight, ever.
>
> I'm going to assume that the folks of Talislanta are very strong or their weights of measure or gravity are very different that ours. Reguardless, the rule as written allows folks to adventure in armor and carry a bunch of gear and that makes it fun, which is the point I suppose. :) Besides I don't need realism. I want fun. Now that I know how it works, it is very easy to calculate in my head what a person can carry in this system and what they can't.
>
> --- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the problem is that you're thinking of a 100 lb. person as being inherently weak. The thing is, a human who weighs 100 lbs. usually won't have a 0 or higher strength. If he does, the little guy is probably pretty wiry and tough. Most people who weigh 100 lbs probably have a strength of -1 or less, in Talislanta terms.
>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "nightwasp33" <jim@...> wrote:
>>
>>> I thank you both for the further explainations. I just couldn't wrap my head around that a 100 lb person could carry 100 lbs with a STR of 0. It is an easy enough rule. I can live with it. :) Thanks.
>>>
>>> --- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Doctor Wheat <drwheat00@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the details of Tipop's example was that the straight STR and weight lifting rules explained why the Kharakhan giants were nomadic -- when one died, even the rest of the group was not strong enough to move him, so they had to move away or live with the corpse!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall we looked at changing the encumbrance rule for 5th edition, but we really couldn't find anything that was better and as simple. There are shortcomings with the rules as is, but after we brainstormed a while, there isn't much of a fix for that beyond adding more complex rules, which is not in line with the simple Tal ruleset.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@>
>>>> To: "Talislanta@yahoogroups.com" <Talislanta@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed proportionately weak or strong. However, there is a "common sense clause" in that particularly obese PCs should not be powerhouses at lifting and carrying despite the body weight rule.
>>>>
>>>> The example I used when proposing the rule was a family of kharakhan giants looking down sadly at grandpa, who had just collapsed. "We'll just have to leave him here."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Jim Alcala Sales <jim@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is an example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: nightwasp33 <jim@>
>>>>>> To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
• House rule it if you wish, it s pretty simple.  SMS has promised on record not to come to your house with the Talislanta police if you don t play exactly by
Message 1 of 10 , May 21, 2012
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House rule it if you wish, it's pretty simple.  SMS has promised on record not to come to your house with the Talislanta police if you don't play exactly by his rules.  :)

It's really something that hasn't been done in the rules in detail.  If you feel more comfortable with it, use the values as the amount that the individual can *lift* and use 1/3 (or whatever fraction you feel is appropriate) for the amount they can carry.  If it's something you really have fun with import rules from GURPS or d20 or any other system.

I never thought about it a whole lot, but here's why -- in all my years of gaming, I can think of a handful of times when we actually figured up character encumbrance.  We were basically always just happy to think we could carry some amount, and it was only an issue when you killed the dragon whose treasure horde was 1 million copper pieces.

In most cases, Talislanta is not going to get very detailed with the rules.  Just the other day, I was looking up the rules for damage from falling.  I didn't find any, so ended up winging it.

From: nightwasp33 <jim@...>
To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:57 AM
Subject: [Talislanta] Re: 4th Edition - Encumbrance??

I wasn't thinking that a 100 lb person is week. I just didn't think that the encumbrance rule was so unrealistic. It didn't occure to me to think of it the way you explained.

I was a backpack guide for nearly 15 years. The fitness level of folks I traveled with ranged from somewhat fit, to very fit.

A typical person could carry 1/3 of their body weight before becoming seriously encumbered. The really fit ones could carry 2/3rds to 3/4 their body weight, and even then moved slowly and carefully. No one even came close to carrying their own body weight, ever.

I'm going to assume that the folks of Talislanta are very strong or their weights of measure or gravity are very different that ours. Reguardless, the rule as written allows folks to adventure in armor and carry a bunch of gear and that makes it fun, which is the point I suppose. :) Besides I don't need realism. I want fun. Now that I know how it works, it is very easy to calculate in my head what a person can carry in this system and what they can't.

--- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@...> wrote:
>
> I think the problem is that you're thinking of a 100 lb. person as being inherently weak. The thing is, a human who weighs 100 lbs. usually won't have a 0 or higher strength. If he does, the little guy is probably pretty wiry and tough. Most people who weigh 100 lbs probably have a strength of -1 or less, in Talislanta terms.
>
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "nightwasp33" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> > I thank you both for the further explainations. I just couldn't wrap my head around that a 100 lb person could carry 100 lbs with a STR of 0. It is an easy enough rule. I can live with it. :) Thanks.
> >
> > --- In Talislanta@yahoogroups.com, Doctor Wheat <drwheat00@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the details of Tipop's example was that the straight STR and weight lifting rules explained why the Kharakhan giants were nomadic -- when one died, even the rest of the group was not strong enough to move him, so they had to move away or live with the corpse!
> >>
> >>
> >> I seem to recall we looked at changing the encumbrance rule for 5th edition, but we really couldn't find anything that was better and as simple.  There are shortcomings with the rules as is, but after we brainstormed a while, there isn't much of a fix for that beyond adding more complex rules, which is not in line with the simple Tal ruleset.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Mark Williams <TipopWilliams@>
> >> To: "Talislanta@yahoogroups.com" <Talislanta@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:25 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, that rule was one of my contributions to 4th edition. It was meant to address the issue where particularly large or small characters seemed proportionately weak or strong. However, there is a "common sense clause" in that particularly obese PCs should not be powerhouses at lifting and carrying despite the body weight rule.
> >>
> >> The example I used when proposing the rule was a family of kharakhan giants looking down sadly at grandpa, who had just collapsed. "We'll just have to leave him here."
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On May 18, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Jim Alcala Sales <jim@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you. I didn't understand that you can carry your own body wt in addition to your own body wt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So in my example below. That character can carry 100 lbs. thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> On May 18, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Andrew Garrett <a_m_garrett3795@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Here is an example:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Your character weights 237 lbs and has a Str of 3 you can carry 237 lbs plus 75 (25 lbs per +1 Str) for a total of 312.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope that helps!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: nightwasp33 <jim@>
> >>>> To: Talislanta@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:21 AM
> >>>> Subject: [Talislanta] 4th Edition - Encumbrance??
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm really having a tough time understanding what is meant by the encumbrance rule on page 14.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I have a character that is 100 lbs with a STR of 0
> >>>>
> >>>> Does this mean: He can carry nothing? Or that he can carry 100 lbs?
> >>>>
> >>>> Something else?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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