Thanks for beating me to the punch, so to speak. This is a commonly
misunderstood part of the regulations and bears elucidation for everyone's
This is also the way we operate our local club station, W4BFB, located at
the Discovery Place Science Museum. (Much to the chagrin of my wife,
daughter, and son, KG4GMJ, KG4GVS, and KG4QKX, respectively, it's also the
way we operate at home. They have HF privileges ONLY when Dad is home and
then only with countries with which we have third-party agreements.)
I think we all agree that Amateur Radio is a GREAT hobby to introduce to
Scouts. There are enough legitimate contacts out there, and it's easy
enough to verify them, that it's not worth getting yourself, or another
licensee, into trouble. Remember, while the FCC may be willing to look the
other way, the DX operator's government may NOT be so forgiving. Sadly,
there is enough unrest in the world that some countries still see amateur
radio as a curse, not a blessing. I'd hate to think that in my enthusiasm
to enrich the hobby, I wound up putting some poor soul in jail, or worse.
Rickey L. Hampton, WD8KEL
3700 Armitage Dr
Charlotte, NC 28269-8312 USA
Coordinates: 35° 18' 59" N, 80° 48' 22" W
County: Mecklenburg County
From: Milt Forsberg [mailto:miltf@...
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [scoutradio] Maine news
Be careful! The earlier reference only mentions a message coming from a
country but it does not spell out the full third party rules. The FCC
rules do state that the "First Party" is the local Control Operator, the
"Second Party" is the Control Operater on the other end of the
conversation. Any traffic to/from any other person is a "Third Party".
The only waiver of this rule is if the "Third Party" is, in fact, eligible
to control the Amateur Station. This means that someone with a Technician
License is a Third Party if operating on 20 meters under supervision of
the Control Operator since the Tech cannot be the Control Operator of that
station. Had the FCC stated "Operator" and not "Control Operator", the
meaning would be much different.
K2BSA at the National Jamboree was very careful to not permit guest
operators to talk with stations in countries with no Third Party Tariff
with the US. In fact, meetings were held daily where this was mentioned.
If a station was contacted with no 3rd party agreement, the Control
Operator took over the conversation.
Here is the FCC information and explaination:
There is a link from that page to the actual rules, if you want to go that
Milt Forsberg, K9QZI
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