[Date and time posted on SSS: 02-04-08 at: 07:43:37p.m.c.s.t.] [02-04-08 at: 07:04p.m. start to write:] I m probably just showing my idiocy here but: Who caresMessage 1 of 2 , Feb 4, 2008View Source[Date and time posted on SSS: 02-04-08 at: 07:43:37p.m.c.s.t.]
[02-04-08 at: 07:04p.m. start to write:]
I'm probably just showing my idiocy here but:
Who cares what schools he went to or didn't go to, or how smart he is
Every time I read one of these "free energy device" stories it's
always the same B.S.
It really seems simple to me, BUILD THE THING, if it works the proof
will be in the FACT THAT IT WORKS?, gee or am I missing something here?
The inventor doesn't NEED ANYBODY with a degree or not a degree, why
does he need someone else to tell him that his invention works?, or is
s/he to stupid to know?
Imagine this, he's driving down the road in his spanking new invention
and it does everything he claims it does, as a consequence of IT'S
WORKING he's saving money becasue he never has to gas up or plug in to
the grid, gee no reason to tell an "educated crackpot" that his
invention works he knows it does and whoever is along with hir for the
ride knows it works.
THAT BEING said, the eventuality is that the educated academic
community WILL PICK UP ON THE REALITY of the device working, or won't
they?, if they don't they are blind as rock's. [remember hir invention
has to work]
Oh I get it, it's a reverse 'the king isn't wearing any clothes" and
or the educated can't see the forest from the trees, [they can't do
Rubics cubes either]
WHO CARES?, IF THE DEVICE WORKS IT WORKS, and if it does there will
plenty of people more than willing lined up to buy one, you can take
that to the bank, and in the meantime, who cares if the MECHANISM BY
WHICH IT WORKS IS UNDERSTOOD OR NOT?!.
This is ludicrous, the SCIENTIST, THE GENUINE REAL DEAL, WILL
EVENTUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW it works givin enough time, and of course
coupled to thinking OUT SIDE OF THE BOX.[but thats asking for alot]
All these maverick inventors holed up in their respective garages need
do is to BUILD THE B.Sing thing[s] and in this case drive the thing
down the road, and keep driving it day after day after day after day,
yawn, gee what do you know it works, "I guess I need someone else to
TELL ME IT WORKS, after all I could be hallucinating, hey smart guy
does my device work"?, Smart guy replies:
"We don't understand the physics, so NO it's impossible we don't care
how many hours and miles you've put on the thing IT CAN'T possibly
work it violates physics."
Kind of reminds me of the cavewo/men who discovered fire and or the
wheel later on: Did those individuals understand the physics / and or
mechanism behind why fire worked and or the wheel wheeled ;-),correct
me if I'm wrong did that KEEP THEM FROM USING IT?
Case in point, the individuals working on self perpetual machines
might be suffering from low self esteem?, and need permission to be
correct in regards their inventions working?, I mean really whats the
In SarfattiScienceSeminars@yahoogroups.com, Jack Sarfatti
> Like the Dublin claims?
> Begin forwarded message:
> > From: ANTIGRAY@...
Together, they have demonstrated the Perepiteia to a number of labs
and universities across North America, including the University of
Virginia, Michigan State University, the University of Toronto and
Queens University. "It's generally always the same reaction," says
Heins. "There's a bit of a scramble on the part of the observer to put
what they're seeing into some sort of context with what they know.
They can't explain it. They don't know what it is."
trixcleverspacealien is Terry A.
[02-04-08 at: 07:42p.m.
--- In SarfattiScienceSeminars@yahoogroups.com, Jack Sarfatti
> Like the Dublin claims?
> Begin forwarded message:
> > From: ANTIGRAY@...
> > Date: February 4, 2008 9:42:14 AM PST
> > To: sarfatti@...
> > Subject: Turning physics on its ear
> > Turning physics on its ear
> > SEAN KILPATRICK/TORONTO STAR
> > Inventor Thane Heins with his electric motor invention, which he
> > has dubbed the Perepiteia, in lab in the basement of his home in
> > Almonte, near Ottawa.
> > `Holy crap, this is really scary,' inventor says of strange phenomenon
> > It all began back in 1985, when Thane Heins, having studied
> > electronics at California State University, started thinking about
> > how magnets could be used to improve power generators.
> > Has university dropout done the impossible and created a perpetual
> > motion machine?
> > Feb 04, 2008
> > Tyler Hamilton
> > Energy Reporter
> > Thane Heins is nervous and hopeful. It's Jan. 24, a Thursday
> > afternoon, and in four days the Ottawa-area native will travel to
> > Boston where he'll demonstrate an invention that appears â" though
> > he doesn't dare say it â" to operate as a perpetual motion machine.
> > The audience, esteemed Massachusetts Institute of Technology
> > professor Markus Zahn, could either deflate Heins' heretical claims
> > or add momentum to a 20-year obsession that has broken up his
> > marriage and lost him custody of his two young daughters. Zahn is a
> > leading expert on electromagnetic and electronic systems. In a rare
> > move for any reputable academic, he has agreed to give Heins'
> > creation an open-minded look rather than greet it with outright
> > dismissal. It's a pivotal moment. The invention, at its very least,
> > could moderately improve the efficiency of induction motors, used
> > in everything from electric cars to ceiling fans. At best it means
> > a way of tapping the mysterious powers of electromagnetic fields to
> > produce more work out of less effort, seemingly creating
> > electricity from nothing. Such an unbelievable invention would
> > challenge the laws of physics, a no-no in the rigid world of
> > serious science. Imagine a battery system in an all-electric car
> > that can be recharged almost exclusively by braking and
> > accelerating, or what Heins calls "regenerative acceleration." No
> > charging from the grid. No assistance from gasoline. No cost of
> > fueling up. No way, say the skeptics. "It sounds too good to be
> > true," concedes Heins, who formed a company in 2005 called
> > Potential Difference Inc. to develop and market his invention. "We
> > get dismissed pretty quickly sometimes." It's for this reason the
> > 42-year-old inventor has learned to walk on thin ice when dealing
> > with academics and engineers, who he must win over to be taken
> > seriously. Credibility, after all, can't be invented. It must be
> > earned. "I have to be humble. If you say the wrong thing at the
> > wrong time, you can lose support." The creation in question is a
> > new kind of generator called the Perepiteia (see "Holy crap," page
> > B3), which in Greek theater means an action that has the opposite
> > effect of what its doer intended. Heins torques up the definition
> > to mean "a sudden reversal of fortune that's a windfall for
> > humanity." Deep down, Heins has high hopes. But he also realizes
> > that merely using those controversial words â" "perpetual motion"
> > â" usually brands a person as batty. In 2006, an Irish company
> > called Steorn placed an advertisement in The Economist calling on
> > all the world's scientists to validate its magnet-based "free
> > energy" technology. Steorn was met with intense skepticism and
> > accused of being a scam or hoax. Seventeen months later the company
> > has failed, despite worldwide attention, to prove anything under
> > scrutiny. Well-educated people, from Leonardo da Vinci to Harvard-
> > trained engineer Bruce De Palma (older brother of film director
> > Brian De Palma), have made similar claims of perpetual motion only
> > to be slammed down by the mainstream scientific community. Heins
> > has an even greater uphill battle. He isn't an engineer. He doesn't
> > have a graduate degrees in physics. He never even finished his
> > electronics program at California State University. "I have mild
> > dyslexia and don't do well in math, so I didn't do very well in
> > school," he says. What he does have is a chef's diploma, and spent
> > time as chef at the Canadian Museum of Civilization before
> > launching his own restaurant in Renfrew called the Old Town Hall
> > Tea Room. He has also had political ambitions. In 1999 he ran
> > unsuccessfully as a candidate for the Green Party of Ontario,
> > deciding a year later to run as an independent in the federal
> > election. Today, Heins is focused on showing his invention to
> > anybody willing to see it, in hopes that somebody smarter than him
> > will give it credibility. His long-time friend, Kim Cunningham,
> > manager of communications and government relations at the Ottawa
> > Centre for Research and Innovation (OCRI) is working part-time with
> > Potential Difference to help get the message out. Together, they
> > have demonstrated the Perepiteia to a number of labs and
> > universities across North America, including the University of
> > Virginia, Michigan State University, the University of Toronto and
> > Queens University. "It's generally always the same reaction," says
> > Heins. "There's a bit of a scramble on the part of the observer to
> > put what they're seeing into some sort of context with what they
> > know. They can't explain it. They don't know what it is."He'd be
> > happy if somebody did, even if the news was bad. His wife has
> > kicked him out. He doesn't earn an income. He can't pay child
> > support. The certainty would be welcome. "I've tried to quit many
> > times, and thought if I could just be a normal guy I would have a
> > normal life ... But I had this idea and I believe it works." Others
> > want to believe â" or at least help out. Cunningham, whose brother
> > is general manager at Angus Glen Golf Club, introduced Heins to the
> > club's president, Kevin Thistle. For two years Thistle has acted as
> > angel investor, providing start-up capital needed to incorporate
> > Potential Difference, file patents and continue research.
> > Cunningham's boss, OCRI president Jeffrey Dale, helped open doors
> > at the University of Ottawa and make introductions to its dean of
> > engineering. As a result, Heins teamed up last fall with Riadh
> > Habash, a professor at the university's school of information
> > technology and engineering. "Dr. Habash has essentially rolled out
> > the red carpet," says Heins, explaining that he now has access to a
> > university lab and all the equipment he needs to test and simulate
> > his generator. In an interview with the Toronto Star, Habash was
> > cautious but matter-of-fact with what he's seen so far. "It
> > accelerates, but when it comes to an explanation, there is no
> > backing theory for it. That's why we're consulting MIT. But at this
> > time we can't support any claim." In the meantime, Heins has been
> > on a letter-writing campaign to raise money for his mission. He's
> > written former U.S. vice-president Al Gore, Virgin Group founder
> > and billionaire Richard Branson and John Doerr at venture capital
> > powerhouse Kleiner Perkins Caufield &Byers. He's also tried to
> > contact entrepreneur Elon Musk, chairman of electric car upstart
> > Tesla Motors, and the "ReCharge IT" project run by Google's
> > philanthropic arm. So far no bites, though there have been nibbles.
> > Heins has had discussions with a well-known investor in Oregon,
> > known to many as the "godfather of start-ups," who is apparently
> > flirting with the idea of investing in Potential Difference. "We
> > got the impression ... he's not necessarily interested in making a
> > ton of money, he just wants to see us succeed." Just before the big
> > day at MIT, the Star spoke with professor Markus Zahn about what he
> > expected to observe. "It's hard for me to give an opinion," said
> > Zahn, who admitted he was excited to see the demonstration. "I
> > don't believe it will violate the laws of physics. You're not going
> > to get more energy out than you put in." He said it's easy for
> > people to set up their tests wrong and misinterpret what they see.
> > "You've got to look closely." It's now Jan. 28 â" D Day. Heins has
> > modified his test so the effects observed are difficult to deny. He
> > holds a permanent magnet a few centimetres away from the driveshaft
> > of an electric motor, and the magnetic field it creates causes the
> > motor to accelerate. It went well. Contacted by phone a few hours
> > after the test, Zahn is genuinely stumped â" and surprised. He said
> > the magnet shouldn't cause acceleration. "It's an unusual phenomena
> > I wouldn't have predicted in advance. But I saw it. It's real. Now
> > I'm just trying to figure it out." There's no talk of perpetual
> > motion. No whisper of broken scientific laws or free energy. Zahn
> > would never go there â" at least not yet. But he does see the
> > potential for making electric motors more efficient, and this
> > itself is no small feat. "To my mind this is unexpected and new,
> > and it's worth exploring all the possible advantages once you're
> > convinced it's a real effect," he added. "There are an infinite
> > number of induction machines in people's homes and everywhere
> > around the world. If you could make them more efficient,
> > cumulatively, it could make a big difference." Driving home â" he
> > can't afford to fly â" Heins is exhausted but encouraged. He says
> > Zahn will, and must, evaluate what he saw on his own terms and
> > time. What's preventing the engineer from grasping it right away,
> > he says, is his education, his scientific training. Step by step,
> > Heins is making progress, but where it will all lead remains
> > uncertain.
> > http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/300042