It is no disappointment to me, Gordon. It gives us a good example of
how names varied among the German immigrants to East Prussia just as
they did for the immigrants to North Hungary (Slovakia). In my family
it was the Matfiak that was the surprise - evidently the Hungarian
spelling of the name, and long forgotten until the ship's papers for
the grandfather surfaced.
--- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
, "Gordon Grening"
> Sorry to disappoint you but Grönning is pure East Prussian. My
grandfather came from the village of Klein Dembowitz in the Neidenburg
providence. Today this is part of Poland. Took me years of searching
various libraries before I finally found some old Nazi era maps (in
the library of the University of New Mexico of all places) of the area
which showed the village. Of course nowadays you can Goggle it and
find the place in minutes.
> Regarding the name change: I have the Grening family Bible and it
lists the births of my 11 aunts and uncles. You can see how the name
changed over the years starting with Grönning for the first couple of
kids, then becoming Groenning, then Grenning and finally Grening for
the last three. I recently found the 1893 marriage license for my
grandparents and the name is written as Grening? Even stranger is
that the naturalization paper for my grandfather has the name spelt
Graneng! If the paper hadn't been stuck in the family Bible I would
have sworn it was for someone else. And I won't even begin to get
into how the name is spelt on some of the census records.
> So what does this have to do with Slovak-Roots. Will my mother's
family is from Slovakia. Her father was a Lutski (I'm still trying to
track down the original spelling of the name) supposedly from Dobra,
Zemplin, Austria-Hungary and her grandfather, Petri Kotulic was from
Sedlice, Saris, Austria-Hungary and her grandmother, Alzebeth Sebes
was from was Sucha Dolina.
> Last March I ordered the 1869 census for Sáros and hope to find the
family on it. I'm a volunteer at the local LDS Family History Center
and had called Salt Lake last week to check on my order. They are
really short handed right now and were just beginning to process the
request for March.
> Finally I want to say that I certainly enjoy reading all the post
here. It was because of all the discussion on the 1869 census that I
was finally able to locate the correct film to order from the Family
History Library. Keep up the good work.
> Yours truly,
> Gordon Grening
> Columbia, SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Matviyak
> To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:44 AM
> Subject: Grening Re: [S-R] Diacritics
> Frank you are correct for modern German. Despite not knowing
> Mr.Grening or his background I will speculate that his family comes
> from Slovakia and Grening is how they chose to spell the name.
> Germans who emigrated to Hungary/Slovakia from the various States of
> Germany spoke different dialects and over time developed their own
> regionalisms and spelling conventions.
> I see it as no stretch of the imagination that Grening and Grönning
> are perfectly compatible variations.
> Ron Matviyak / Matvijak / Matviak / Matfiak
> are various spellings of my own name, all quite legitimate.
> --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "Frank R. Plichta"
> <frank.r.plichta@> wrote:
> > Grönning = Greonning not Grening
> > Frank
> > _____
> > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Gordon Grening
> > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:10 AM
> > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [S-R] Diacritics
> > Dear Margo,
> > The answer to your question is to use ALT KEY Codes. For
example, if you
> > hold down the ALT key and type 0231 on your key pad you get ç,
0232 = è,
> > 0199 = Ç, 0196 = Ä. etc. I use the codes all the time in Family Tree
> > for my German and Slovak names. You must type in the leading zero.
> > To get a list of the codes do a GOGGLE or YAHOO search on "Alt Key
> > You will get a list of many sites. You will have to check each site
> > you find one which gives you all the codes you need. I did this
> > years ago and found a site which gave me all the codes for 0000
> > 0256. Unfortunately I don't remember which site I got the codes
> from. Look
> > for a site which gives the extended code or internation code
> > consists of 4 digits codes. You don't want the old 3 digit code set
> since it
> > does not contain all of the characters which have diacritical marks.
> > I'm ready surprise that your computer friends did not know about
> > By the way my name in German is Grönning.
> > 20312/stime=1214043238/nc1=4836042/nc2=5286667/nc3=5028928>
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