Yep, same here, Denise -- glad to hear from you. I recently joined the CSAGSI (Czech/Slovak American Genealogy Society of IL) and enjoy their publications asMessage 1 of 3 , Mar 21, 2005View SourceYep, same here, Denise -- glad to hear from you. I
recently joined the CSAGSI (Czech/Slovak American
Genealogy Society of IL) and enjoy their publications
as well -- how lucky of you to have found an old
family member who no doubt can give you a wealth of
info to link you to the past.
Welcome and I look forward to hearing more from you.
I was at FHL Saturday (my Kolbasa [now] Brezina
Slovakia films arrived, finally) and after about 3
hours of being totally depressed and not seeing
anything -- WHAM, names I recognized began to whiz
past me like rush hour traffic. Now to figure out
what the records are of -- I think Bill's pages have
links to figuring out that stuff -- so I too am
grateful for his knowledge and willingness to share.
I too moved a ton -- born in Cleveland but to a
Railroader, so was a Railroad Brat during the 60's and
70's -- finally settled in Chicago after dad's
railroad went bust (Rock Island WAS a mighty fine
Caye (Chicago area)
--- Denise Wranik-McLoughlin <ddm1050@...>
> Hello All,
> I am new to this group as well as to using "Yahoo"
> msg boards. I
> thought I would introduce myself and then just
> peruse through the
> messages. It is so exciting to see Bill T
> participating on this
> board. I often refer to him as "The Slovak Guru" in
> my circle of
> My name is Denise Wranik-McLoughlin. Maiden name was
> Wranik, but was
> originally spelled Vranik. The majority of my
> ancestors came from
> today's Lysa pod Makytou, SK. Only a very few
> immigrated. All settled
> in the Milwaukee area of Wisconsin, USA, mostly in
> Cudahy. I am 2nd
> generation in USA. Unfortunately, I was not reared
> in a "Slovak"
> environment, moving about every 2 years following my
> employment. No one has ever done a family history
> before me. All of
> my immediate relatives are deceased. I started my
> journey in 2000. I'm embarrassed to say that I
> apparently slept
> through most of my history classes - All I knew was
> that we
> were "czech" (according to grandparents and
> parents). I never heard
> of the Austrio-Hungarian Empire (Monarchy), and you
> can imagine my
> state of confusion as I received documents stating
> my g/parents were
> from: Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and one even
> said Germany!
> With much patience and guidance from people like
> Bill, John Adams,
> Zlatica Beca and a few others I have traced my roots
> to the early
> 1700s, have discovered that I am SLOVAK, and have
> (and continue to)
> educated myself on the A/H history. A few years ago,
> I joined the
> Wisconsin Slovak Historical Society which publishes
> a quarterly
> magazine. One of their articles featured a 94 year
> old cousin of mine
> whom I had never met or even knew about. I visit her
> whenever I can
> and managed to interview her on tape. Ironically, I
> now write a
> genealogy help column for the magazine!
> I can never express how grateful I am to people like
> Bill and the
> others that take the time to share their expertise
> with us. Thank you
> Denise Wranik-McLoughlin
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A few hints on church records. 1) If the page has a list of first names, followed by parents names, it is a list of births. There will be the occasionalMessage 1 of 3 , Mar 21, 2005View SourceA few hints on church records.
1) If the page has a list of first names, followed by parents'
names, it is a list of births. There will be the occasional single
parent, duly noted in the "illegitimate" column.
2) If the page layout suggests people of the same approx age, you
have marriages. Sometimes the pages are horizonatl for groom, then
bride. With luck, you also get the parents' names. Any marriage over
age 30 is assumed to be a second marriage -- within a month or so of
the death of the first spouse. Look for the death record.
Marriages are usually recorded in the BRIDE'S church while births
and deaths are typically in the GROOM'S church. If you note the
religion and village name, you will have an idea where to look for
Assume all marriages occured at age 20. That is close enough
to "actual" to separate the generations.
3) If the pages show a variety of ages, you have deaths. These can
be a bit tricky. For example, something like Janos / Adam Michal /
Kocis Maria would be Janos, the son of Michal Adam and Maria Kocis --
but I'm not dead yet.
4) The 1869 Hungarian Census provides a wealth of family
information, if available for your village.
When available, house numbers can help you track closely-related
TRANSLATION OF CHURCH RECORDS
Checkout http://www.bmi.net/jjaso/ for parish record header
LDS also has a pretty good translation guide which you can download.
See forums.delphiforums.com/iarelative/messages message #3931.1 for
1910 HUNGARIAN MAP
The old Hungarian county maps can be found at:
SAVE your map on YOUR computer. OPEN the map in any graphics
program. CUT and PRINT the relevant section of the map. Otherwise,
you just get a corner. This map uses the Hungarian village names
that you will likely find in church records.
http://www.natarch.hu/english/menu_24.htm#INTRODUCTION This link goes to a Hungarian website that has an English article on searching church records. SinceMessage 1 of 3 , Nov 1, 2010View Sourcehttp://www.natarch.hu/english/menu_24.htm#INTRODUCTION
This link goes to a Hungarian website that has an English article on searching church records. Since present day Slovakia was Upper Hungary a lot of the information is useful.
The parish registers are the most reliable and indispensable sources of family history research. It was Pope Pius IV who, as a result of the deliberations of the Council of Trent, ordered the introduction of regular registration in 1563. In Hungary, in the case of the Roman Catholic Church the Council of Nagyszombat ordered the introduction and maintenance of parish registers at the beginning of the Counter-Reformation in 1611, though sparse registrations occurred at some places before that time, too. Regarding Protestant churches, the full powers to keep registers was granted by Emperor Joseph Habsburg II, in 1785. However, at some special localities (loca articularia), registration had begun much earlier. In Hungary, the regular and compulsory registration of Israelite population was introduced as late as the Bach Era (July 1851), but in that case, too, there were places where registration had begun long before that date.
The microfilm collection of the National Archives of Hungary holds the duplicates of parish registers from the localities of the present territory of Hungary, created by the historical churches - the Roman Catholic, Greek Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Calvinist, Lutheran and Israelite, before 1st October 1895. In addition, the National Archives, in small numbers, preserves microfilms of registers of the Baptist, Unitarian and Nazarene small churches. Some copies of registers from the territory of the historical Hungary, existed before the Treaty of Trianon, can also be found in the Archives: mainly from Upper Hungary (from the Csallóköz), Southern Hungary (from Bácska), the Northern Borderland (Burgenland), the Mura region (in Slovenia), the Drávaszög (the southern part of Baranya - today in Croatia), as well as some registers from ethnic Hungarian villages in Bukovina.
Public (state) registration was introduced on 1st October 1895. From that date registers have been preserved at mayoral offices, whereas duplicates have been transferred to the competent territorial (county) archives.
Before starting a research in the registers, researchers need to know the wanted person's or family's place of residence, religion, as well as his place and approximate date of birth/marriage/death.
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