I am not sure that this is the reply that should go out or not. However I
am going to type it because I'm about to explode, therefore I must type it
There are many reasons why our events can go together. 1) Their event does
not appear to be an educational event at all. Having a consultation table
is a _world_ different from having a Symposium. Having a day of classes
versus an event with a feast are two different things entirely. The
coincidence that they want to have consultation and dancing (two common
things) versus that we want to have a day of education that happen to touch
on dancing and heraldry is something to make someone chuckle - the events
will have things common, oh my. However, do they plan on having fighting? We
don't at this time.
2) We are not in the same region. The 'regional' border is about 30 miles
north of us. They just happen to be within 150 miles of us. 150 miles is a
rather long way. We fall under the prevue of the central region as far as
reports go, they are in the north.
3) We are attempting to get a weekend that _always_ works for us as a
protected weekend for us. That alone should count for some sort of
4) We have been told by both Gold Falcon and by the Dancers in this Kingdom
that they want to see this event happen. Having a small dance at an events
is not going to be a large draw to the event. The event in Grimfells is
also going to have dancing. I have seen it discussed on the dance list for
the kingdom. So by saying, "We plan to have dancing, we are barely in
geographical conflict, no you can't have your event," Is a little on the
5) The state of Heraldic education in this Kingdom is so hurt that this
event _needs_ to happen. If this doesn't happen then that means there is
absolutely no heraldic educational events happening since last April, and
that hurts the Kingdom as a whole.
6) The original email was, quite frankly, rude, and we deserve at least an
apology. We are not in regional conflict, we are not having the same event,
and the events don't conflict in tempo - and we have been told by a kingdom
officer and by an interest group in the kingdom that they want us to have
our event. It won't break the bank of an Iowa group as Iowa people will
travel to it. There are a _lot_ more groups closer to the small Iowa group
than there are Missouri groups close to us.
Looking at he Kingdom map I am seeing that there are 4 other groups very
close to that one, and a Barony within a 2 hour or so drive. When I look at
Bellewode on the map I see that there are two Baronies 3+ hours away, and
that within 2 hours of us there are only 2 groups. This shows beyond a
shadow of a doubt that their group has a larger draw for their event, and
since we are planning on having no fighting, that also hurts our draw versus
theirs. That tells me we can expect very little draw from Iowa, and no draw
from southern Missouri. This leaves us looking at a middle Missouri draw
only, and then only the Heralds, Scribes and dancers. However, they deserve
to have an event they have requested us to hold.
I would not send this email directly to them as it is written in a major
state of disbelief, but I would definitely email back and make a few points
about it, requesting it politely. If they say no we are completely screwed
on the year as we can't change our rooms this late in the game.
-Roberto the still majorly pissed.
On Behalf Of Katherine Schneider
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:01 AM
To: SCA Bellewode Group
Subject: [SCA_Bellewode] Symposium Update
Bad news for the event, we either have to find another weekend or hold
it off till fall/spring next school year, i've attached the e-mail that
i recieved from HL Aemilia Sabine. If anyone has any prefrences please
post them, but i will leave the final dicision up to Lady Helena and
Lady Esa since they are in charge of the event.
In other news, when would be best for a meeting time for this up coming
I would say No. It's not a good Idea, for either of our groups. I'm
surprised that you would consider it! We are both small groups that
exist in college towns. If you view the map
you will see that
there are no groups between us, and your group is between us and the
rest of the kingdom. Also on April 1st there is a popular event
scheduled in the Shire of Grimfells, though far away, I myself would be
traveling to it if it wasn't a conflict.
As well, our event has a college theme AND there will be dancing
coordinated by No Mountain (Grinnell). It is likely our local herald
(who is also the regional herald) Master Gawain will have a table for
consults. This would conflict with your intent. And Since we are
planning to have fighting that could equally draw away from your event.
The link to our event flier is:
I believe there to be too much similarity between the events and as
well- doing events the same weekend could break the bank accounts for
both of us! Another thing to consider is that FlintHyll (Burlington,
IA) Will also be having an event on April 23rd. And to have 3 events in
the same region with in the same month might be possible in the center
of the Kindom, but can make it rough for us on the ourskirts with the
cost of travel.
I'm sorry for any inconvenience and hope you find another date for you
HL Aemilia Sabine.
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