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, "Elizabeth Walpole" <ewalpole@a...>
> I've just been looking at this sketch by Holbein
> and noticed that the sleeves appear to be tied together with
> something similar. it also looks like some of the women have tied
> Holbein's sketch of Sir Thomas Moore's family
> http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/morefamily.jpg. Unfortunately
these are both black and white sketches and I haven't been able to
find a colour picture showing sleeves that tie together, they all
seem to be held together by jewels, or no visible sign how they are
closed. So on to my question,does anyone know of a colour portrait
with these style of sleeves, showing the sleeves tied together? I
want to find out whether the ties should match the gown or contrast
The sketch you reference is titled "Two views of a woman wearing an
English hood" and is a wonderful drawing for that accessory.
However, it is less helpful in reference to the tied sleeves. I've
checked the web for other Holbein portraits that would show tied
sleeves and ---you are right!---few show puffs/slashes with ties.
There are a few that seem to be held with ties that have the ends
held in place by eglets--sort of like those plastic locks on the ends
of jacket or hood drawstrings. I did find a few allegorical
portraits that might answer your questions.
Try "Laïs von Korinth | 1526 "
or/and "Venus und Amor | um 1525"
They seem to be slightly different versions of the same dress and the
ties seem to be color coordinated to the dress color not the
chemise. Neither do they seem to be contrasting colors.
A lady wearing almost the duplicate of this costume is in the
1527 "Portrait of Lady Guildford."
Unfortunately the ties are obscured by the puffs and by the position
of the sleeve. The one tie partly visible at the cuff is the same
color as the sleeve it is securing.
As to the rosary comment--can't help you there--the sketch doesn't
seem to have been made into a formal protrait. While you interpret
it as a rosary, it may have been just a chatelaine of some sort
perhaps ornamented with medallions or pearls or the "pearls" might
just be a quickie indication of a chatelaine or rosary without undue
HL Feilimidh Dearforghail/Fey of Caer Anterth