--- In SCA-Garb@y..., Joan Garner <joan_the_harpist1119@y...> wrote:
> --- aicelina_gatesedge <saragalley@y...> wrote:
> >The thing that looks most wrong to me is the
> >silhouette, which speaks to me of Victorian
> >corsetry, rather than the costumes themselves.
> Yes, perhaps that's it -- the silhouette. When I
> first looked at the picture, it did have that
> Victorian "look", but when I challenged myself to find
> anything terribly wrong with the costumes themselves,
> nothing leapt out at me as a Victorian fantasy. And I
> do plan to use that very simple trim design on the
> left to embroider my new tunic -- I'm thinking of just
> couching something suitable in that design.
> Iohanna the Harper
> [Joan Hall]
I think it is the chunkiness of the ladies. The dress is depicted as
rather more free flowing than most of the period pictures show, with a
subtle feeling of wronness. As a general idea, it's not bad. For the
specifics and the accesories, I'd really look for a primary period
source. Look at Guendolin of Cumbria's file area, check out:
Mostly you will just have to go to hte biggest library in your area
and look up books on 12th cenury artwork, manuscripts,
paintings, embroideries....(looking for books on costume is likely to
bring up things that are based solely on their interpretation of the
chartreuse (sp?) cathedral, with the notable exception of "the book of
costume" by Davenport which is well worth looking up.)
I don't like:
the dress is high waisted (comes in under the bust, instead of at the
waist) I think many period dresses were not, but I'm not too sure.
all the dresses are floor length, slightly higher dresses appear more
common and are certainly more practical, although dresses this length
are in some period pictures i think.
The lady on the left has a line around her hem, from what I've seen
hems were mostly only decorated if they were just below the knee (ie
an underdress to the floor underneath)
The decoration of scallops on hte lady on the left seens uncommon to
me, the trim I've seen could nearly all be interpreted as tablet woven
trim or embroidery, this has to be embroidery.
The strap on the cloak on the lady on the left is unusual - I can't
see how it would be functional, a shorter strap is more likely
I think the exact arrangement of the veil of the lady on the right may
be a bit later, but there are so many veil arrangements in period that
I don't know much about them.
Free flowing hair is quite common amoungst young girls. Veils are
common amoungst married or respectable ladies (eg many queens).
Exceptions to this guideline are common.
Now that I've finished being picky, most of the picture is good:
The cloak on the left is pretty good, a half circle cloak I'd say
The way a narrow band of trim is depicted on the lady on the left's
undergarment is good.
The lady in the centre is wearing a lovely broach, although this is
more likely to fasten an outer garment than an inner garment.
The trim on the centre garment shows the (infuriating) vaugely
geometric hard to see shapes of period pieces.
The general cut and style is good.
I think it is the fact that their breasts are so large, upthrust and
perky. It looks like they are wearing a bra (or corset). Not a 12th
century look (although I must admit one you see fairly commonly in the
sca with the less brave girls like I was when I first joined.)
Disclaimer: I give my advice rather too freely at the moment, I do NOT
know much about the period, go spend a month (part time) avidly
digging through period pictures and you'll know as much about 12th
century clothes as me. It took me nearly a year to get over the
fantasy images of raacinet etc, i'd not like to see others take so
long if they are really interested in accurate period clothes.