In the late 14th early 15th century the Vikings no longer truly existed. The Scandanavians (sp) were around, but they didn t go aviking. ... (Snipped by mod.Message 1 of 6 , Aug 21View SourceIn the late 14th early 15th century the Vikings no longer truly existed. The Scandanavians (sp) were around, but they didn't go aviking.
> --- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "fabian_von_sandhausen" <fabianvonsandhausen@> wrote:(Snipped by mod. Seriously trim your replies.)
> > late 14th century/early 15th century German persona (with viking relatives, so it's conceivable viking materials may have been given to my persona as a gift).
Rashid, I largely agree and what you ve said definitely applies to somebody who is rich enough to wear silk. I just felt the need to point out a possibleMessage 2 of 6 , Aug 21View SourceRashid,
I largely agree and what you've said definitely applies to somebody who is rich enough to wear silk. I just felt the need to point out a possible exception. The late 14th century is still near enough to the start of the transition to the new more fitted fashions that I'd say it's plausible for the rural especially the elderly (before modern mass produced clothing a lot of people stopped paying attention to fashion in their 20s and just re-made the same garment over and over in new fabric each time) to still be using a tunic possibly cutting it a little closer.
In this particular context as we're talking about somebody fashionable enough to import silks from Italy you're definitely in the category of knowing up to date fashions and paying attention to them.
--- In SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <unclrashid@...> wrote:
> In the late 14th early 15th century they weren't really wearing t-tunics any more, they were wearing cotes and a variety of gowns and over-robes. Some of these garments are similar to tunics, but they were beginning to have more shaping in the armholes and sleeve-heads than a T-tunic and have the fullness and shaping of the body controlled by multiple gores or panels: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/tunic2.html
Um...GFDs ARE fitted - quite fitted and are in place well before the 14/15thc border. Did you mean the 13/14thc border? The focus of my own persona andMessage 3 of 6 , Aug 23View SourceUm...GFDs ARE fitted - quite fitted and are in place well before the
14/15thc border. Did you mean the 13/14thc border? The focus of my own
persona and clothing research is the mid-14thc(mostly France and England,
with roadtrips to Germany, Italy, and Spain) and I have found nothing BUT
evidence for well and closely-fitted garments; laced or buttoned mostly up
the front (Damn you, Italian Wierd!!!! LOL). I have also not found any
evidence that older people wore substantially different gowns than the
younger people. Of course, what with the Black Death being especially harsh
on the elderly (AND very young), the median age in Europe during the Age of
the Cotehardie was fairly Young Adultish. What extant bits exist, plus the
evidence of effigies and statuary, would imply that fitted garments are
more likely to have started at the 13th/14th century border than the
14th/15th, when the self-supporting garments appear to become the underwear
for houppelandes. Check out the 14th century effigies in the Cathedral of
St. Denis. The countesses and queens buried there, from the 14th, did not
die in their 20s and are definitely depicted wearing fitted gowns.
-Alysoun, garb nerd
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Elizabeth
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> I largely agree and what you've said definitely applies to somebody who is
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