On 01/26/2013 11:44 PM, Silvester wrote:
> M'Lords and Ladys,
> I have a friend who is doing 11-12th century Isle of Mann
> Scoto-Normanwho might have me make some garb for him and I'd like to get as close to
> correct as I can...
> I'm seeing thru some Google searchs that the region had strong
Scottish and Irish influences and that the Norse had a pretty solid
generic appearance across all the regions they controlled at the time...
So I'm leaning toward a liene, trouser and garters, but I'm not
completely confident about that.
I think going for generic Viking would be closer to the mark, see below.
> The liene pattern I have is for 16th century and the sleeves are
> crazybig. I get the impression the period I'm shooting for calls for more of
a narrow sleeved T-tunic under garment.
That's correct. The type of 16th c leine that a lot of reenactors use
for Irish personas probably isn't correct anyway:
More about early (including pre-Viking) Irish clothing here:
> I see that an outer coat was common and called an ionar, is that
correct? Is it just a slightly baggier, but shorter t-tunic?
So far as I'm aware, the ionar is actually a snugger garment than a
t-tunic, and is very short (waist length). It's associated with the
Irish, not the Scots, and I don't know that it was worn outside Ireland.
> I think my friend prefers a kilt, but I'm not sure that is "period"
more common than trousers; I've seen very little reference to a "kilt"
at all and what I did see doesn't really support a "great kilt". The
trousers I am seeing are gartered to the knee, I've done that myself as
a 1066 Saxon and it's a huge PITA!
Strictly speaking, the trousers worn by the Saxons would be covered down
the lower part of the leg with wool bands, wrapped like puttees. These
bands are called winingas.
I'm thinking of faking it somehow
with a lace on or zippered fitted sleeve; sort of like these:
The Pirate pants in your link are much more like what the Rus are
believed to have worn during the Viking era than like what would have
been worn in the western areas conquered by the Vikings.
> Basically I'm thinking "generic viking" with a kilt option...
No to the kilt. Neither the Vikings nor the Irish wore kilts, and the
history of "kilts" in Scotland is much shorter than people generally
For more on men's clothing in medieval Scotland, see:
Note that the McClintock book cited mentions Mann specifically.
> Would someone confirm what I have outlined is close to correct or
redirect me toward what I should be doing?
See above. Good luck!
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