I think the documentation is fine. If you want continental sources, there
are plenty in Moda a Firenze, but they are not English, and there are
patterns in Alcega's Tailor's Book (Spanish). The Tudor Tailor pattern is
based on an Alcega pattern as far as I know - unfortunately they don't list
their specific sources, it just looks too much like the Alcega pattern to
not be based on it!
As for the stripes - we know striped fabric existed, but I can only think of
1 English picture with stripes - it's the petticoat (or kirtle, it's
impossible to tell) of Queen Elizabeth's fool. It may be in Tudor Tailor, at
the beginning. I think, however, that the authors of tudor tailor have found
some written documentation? It would be worth asking on the Tudor Tailor
Reader Yahoo list.
I also think that most English kirtles/petticoats of the time would have
been wool, not linen, because wool dyes better than linen and was the most
common fabric in England in that day, and all the written lists that I have
seen do not list linen kirtles (the absence of evidence is not proof of
absence, however). That being said, my entire wardrobe is kirtles and
English fitted gowns, and because I wear all the kirtles at Pennsic they are
The Italian pictures with stripes that I can think of off the top of my head
are silk, not wool.
MOAS, Shire of Hartshorn-dale,
Help with Fitted English Gown
by: "anonimous0" ariel.sarah@...
>Wed Oct 6, 2010 6:37 pm
I'm planning on making an outfit that is commonly referred to as an English
Fitted Gown. Tudor Tailor has the outfit in question here:
I've got documentation from the Fete at Bermondsey and Civitates Orbis
Terrarum and a portrait by Lucas de Heere (
Are three sources enough for a novice level A&S competition?
Also, I'm planning to make the underdress out of linen and the overdress out
of wool. The wool that I just bought is a charcoal gray that has light gray
stripes that are very thin and about 1/2" apart. The effect is not pinstripe
but more like just slightly striped. The fabric is also felted and not super
smooth helping the fabric not look too much like suiting fabric.
Should I try to overdye the wool fabric to make the stripe receed or is it
okay as is? I can try to take pics if folks need them. I'm just trying to
get the general consensus before I cut into the stuff.
-Lady Annora Reyner
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
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