... See previous cites regarding neckbands/veils, I think. My suspicion is that it arises from a law like the one I pointed out, and that someone over-Message 1 of 30 , Apr 9, 2010View SourceOn 9 April 2010 09:53, Marian Walke <marian@...> wrote:
> You're quite right.See previous cites regarding neckbands/veils, I think.
> To me the question is: Where did this notion come from? Can anyone
> produce *any* evidence from *any* time or place that yellow was a color
> for prostitutes and not for respectable women? Or is this just one of
> the myths that circulate in the SCA from time to time, such as that
> Gypsies are out of period, or that only the rich had spoons?
My suspicion is that it arises from a law like the one I pointed out,
and that someone over- zealously expanded it and then their version
became the authoritative version through misinformation.
Even given my previous cites on Italy, though, I'll point out that
Eleanor of Toledo wore yellow in the famous portraits (at least as an
accent color), and that Sofonisba Anguissola painted her mother
wearing a yellow dress, so I don't think the color entire was ilegal.
Chi pecora si fa, il lupo se la mangia.
Italy required yellow stripes, but I don t know the dates I have a secondary reference: The obverse of city regulation for respectable women was the clothingMessage 1 of 30 , Apr 9, 2010View SourceItaly required yellow stripes, but I don't know the dates
I have a secondary reference:
"The obverse of city regulation for respectable women was the clothing
signifiers that cities prescribed for prostitutes. In London a hood of
multicolored cloth and in southern France sleeves and headdress
distinguished prostitutes. Italy prohibited prostitutes from wearing veils
or mantles like respectable women and required them to wear a yellow stripe
denoting their trade."
Medieval English Women in Rural and Urban Domestic Space
Barbara A. Hanawalt
Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 52, (1998), pp. 19-26
She gives a footnote reference to:
R. M. Karras, "The Regulation of Brothels in Later Medieval England," Signs
14 (1989), 421;
L. Otis, Prostitution in Medieval Society: The History of an Urban
Institution in Languedoc (Chicago, 1985), 80;
J. Rossiaud, Medieval Prostitution, trans. L. G. Cochrane (Oxford, 1988),
64-65; Hughes, "Distinguishing Signs," 29-30.
Jeanne de Robin
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> I am pretty sure I recall seeing documentation on yellow veils for
> prostitutes. But I don't recall the time or place that regulation was
> in effect.
... In Japan, at least from Heian (794 start) onward, yellow or ki is a colour that any woman (and IIRC any man as well) could wear with no kind ofMessage 1 of 30 , Apr 9, 2010View Source
> I'm looking for specific references to regulations regarding wearing the color yellow (or yellow-like colors) in ANY culture within our period.In Japan, at least from Heian (794 start) onward, yellow or "ki" is a colour that any woman (and IIRC any man as well) could wear with no kind of connotation. There are actually a variety of yellow shades that are used in various kasane (colour combinations of layered robes).
Sugihara no Naome