There was a France, but not the same territory as we see today, due to treaties and wars. The King of France had no say over Poitou in the 15th c. That went with Eleanor. Navarre didn't join France until after Jeanne d'Navarre's son became King of France. Of course Burgandy was an independant country off and on. Champagne jumped back and forth between Burgundy and France. Normandy and Brittany jumped back and forth between France and England. Most of the Pyrenees had little independent Kingdoms that couldn't be penetrated, with one still existing today. The only area you could always declare France was Paris. That was it's capital.
There was always a France, but it's territories changed. Provence even belonged to Florence, went to France as part of the dowery of Catherine d'Medici. The language in Southern France and Northern France at that time was different, with few words in common.
(My personna and time period.)
14th c. was still fairly generic. Look at the French, Florence and Spanish of that time period to see what they wore. That is what would have been worn in Provence. It was exchanged between those countries in treaties periodically. Form fitting clothes were worn under the sideless surcotes.
With respect, there was definitely a France in the 14th century. TheFrench national identity was formed back....I believe as early as theMerovingians (pre - revolt of the seneschal) although I could bewrong. Point being, there was at least 500 years of a France by the14th century, although certainly the barons/dukes of the regions had agreat deal of power and influence - but, they were still barons anddukes of *France*. Also, it is a common misconception that clothingwas not form-fitting until the 15th century. The easiest examples Ican think of are the bliaut of the 12th century and the cotehardie ofthe 14th, which are *very* formfitting. So much so that my bowflexweeps for the days of the toga...Alysoun JeuneterreTrimaris, or as I refer to it, Provence, France, 1347>>> Could anyone share some information about how I can learn more about> the details of 14th century French garb, (1300-1370 is fine). I want to> get a feeling for the male dress of the day, most especially the little> details that set them apart from other regions and fashions.>> I understand that there was no France at this time. And, I have read> the past posts til my eyes were glazed.>> Some of the older posts spoke of cotes. Which I take to be a fancy> overtunic that is form fitting, basically. But I thought form fitting> clothes didn't come into favor til the 15th century, something like a> hundred years later. Right?>>[Snippage]-- For all those whose cares have been our concern; the work goes on, thecause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream...shall never die.Sen. E.M. Kennedy, 1980
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