Thank you, Evian. Yes, I was referring to English references of the
In service to the dream,
Carolus von Eulenhorst
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:17:10 -0600 "Evian Blackthorn" <theweb@...
> Greetings list,
> In 1188, a half Welsh - half Norman living in England
> knew of and wrote about at least four different materials
> being used for bows. They were: horn, ivory, yew, and elm.
> This person was named Giraldus, and wrote about the bows of
> elm used by the 'Venta' of Wales, as opposed to bows of
> horn, ivory or yew. There are no details given in relation
> to the shape of these or other bows. There is no information
> given about whether the materials were used individually, or
> were used as a composite material. But this is only a small
> area of the known world of that time, although Giraldus was
> familiar with sizable areas of England, France and Italy,
> having lived in all three countries, as well as having been
> raised in Wales and having visited Ireland. He gives no
> details about where the other three materials other than the
> elm of the Welsh was used for bows.
> I don't know if Carolus is right about Italian yew being
> the preferred yew in period England, but I do know that there
> were extensive yew growths around the shores of Lake Geneva,
> in what is now the Haut-Savoie departement of France,
> formerly part of the Duchy of Savoy, so at least yew grew in
> Italy in period, as well as Spain and England. I sure won't
> argue about it with him, as he is normally right in his
> statements and can back them up with documentation. However,
> Carolus failed to make the distinctintion I did about period
> ENGLAND, though he does refer us indirectly to English
> records and statutes. Or at least I assume he was referring
> to English records, as he directly referred to English
> ports. Other areas of Europe used other woods, and had bows
> other than the 'classic' English long bow in 'period'. Plus,
> several areas of South, Central and Southern North America
> were known and extensively explored before 1600 by the
> Spanish. So even some 'native' american bows can be
> 'period'. Most asiatic bows in use before 1600 can also be
> included as 'period' in the SCA.
> I have no information on hickory being used for bows
> before 1600, but hickory is not just a native American wood.
> It is also native to Eastern Asia, and fossil remains have
> been found in Greenland, Iceland and even in Europe. But
> basically, what Baron Ben said is correct.
> >if you show up on the range with a bow without center
> >cut arrow shelf and with proper arrows, you may shoot
> >in the period division in the outlands (or most any other
> >Kingdom). If you enter a bow in an A&S competition,
> >be well prepared for many challenges on minutiae.
> The only things I might want to add is that the bow should
> be mostly wood, and you might run into a few people who
> think that the ONLY truly 'period' bow is an ELB. They are
> wrong, so don't let them buffalo you.
> Evian Blackthorn of THE WEB
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