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• I probably will kick myself for this when the scores start coming in and I have to build a website, but I am taking up where the Unicorn Challenge, run by Lord
Message 1 of 23 , Mar 31, 2007
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I probably will kick myself for this when the scores start coming in and I
have to build a website, but I am taking up where the Unicorn Challenge, run
by Lord Caedmon Wilson left off. The season starts now and ends September
30.

Fenri's Challenge is the new game in town. I will use the same scoring
format that worked so well in the Unicorn Challenge. The archer starts out
standing 10 yards from the target and shoots a flight of 10 arrows. Once a
"perfect 10" is scored, the archer progresses back to 20 yards. Score is
the total of hits on target up to the present position. For example, s
person posting a score of 11 has shot the required perfect round at 10 yards
and hit 1 in the flight at 20 yards. Once one has run that "perfect 10" at
a given distance, he/she/it/they need not shoot that distance again for the
rest of the season. Explaination: once you hit 10/10 at 10 yards, you
progress to 20 yards and start each time at 20 yards for score. You may
shoot the shorter distances for practice, but once you have scored 10/10 at
a given distance, no further score at that distance need be submitted. A
score of 55 means that the archer has managed that "perfect 10" at 10, 20,
30, 40, and 50 yards and has hit 5 of 10 at 60 yards.

Now for the fun part: the Target.

Based on pictures I have seen of British castles and the ones I visited in
Germany when my "rich Uncle Sam" paid for my 3 year trip, I wish to use a
semi-cruciform slot for our target this year. What do you mean, you ask.

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Each line of stars represents a piece of duct tape in the standard U.S. 2
inch dimension. Canadians get no bonus for metric tape because it's my game
and I said so. (provincial attitude ain't it) :-)

The vertical arms total 36 inches (91.44 cm) (Don't say I am not helpful to
you folks trapped by the ice and snow) BTW, that means the arm going up and
down :-) the horizontal arm is centered from top to bottom and is 12 inches
(30.5 cm) wide.

Any arrow that hits any portion of the cruciform slot is counted as a hit.
Edge shots go to the archer. Make sure the top and bottom of the vertical
and the left and right ends of the horizontal are clean lines.

You may submit one score per person per day. We're on the honor system
here, so I am going to take your word. If I start getting a bunch of scores
of 151 or so, I am going to get doubtful and you may give me an excuse for a
road trip or to "sic" another marshal on you to prove your score.

Now get out there and put holes in things!

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• The art did not come out on the lists the way I meant it to do. Picture a lower case T the way we were taught in first grade. Place the crossbar halfway
Message 2 of 23 , Apr 1, 2007
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The art did not come out on the lists the way I meant it to do. Picture a
lower case "T" the way we were taught in first grade. Place the crossbar
halfway down the upright and centered left to right. That's the target.
Two widths of duct tape for each arm.

I hope that clarifies any confusion.

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• So ... the vertical and horizontal arms are 4 inches wide. Right? Jon ... From: Frederick Fenters To: MidrealmArchery@yahoogroups.com;
Message 3 of 23 , Apr 1, 2007
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So ... the vertical and horizontal arms are 4 inches wide. Right?

Jon

----- Original Message ----
To: MidrealmArchery@yahoogroups.com; SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2007 1:07:30 PM
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re:New "Mail In Tournament"

The art did not come out on the lists the way I meant it to do. Picture a
lower case "T" the way we were taught in first grade. Place the crossbar
halfway down the upright and centered left to right. That's the target.
Two widths of duct tape for each arm.

I hope that clarifies any confusion.

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• Any chance you could make on and take a pic of it.I am trying but I just cant picture it.lol Domingos _____ From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Message 4 of 23 , Apr 1, 2007
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Any chance you could make on and take a pic of it.I am trying but I just
cant picture it.lol

Domingos

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From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick Fenters
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:08 PM
To: MidrealmArchery@yahoogroups.com; SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re:New "Mail In Tournament"

The art did not come out on the lists the way I meant it to do. Picture a
lower case "T" the way we were taught in first grade. Place the crossbar
halfway down the upright and centered left to right. That's the target.
Two widths of duct tape for each arm.

I hope that clarifies any confusion.

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• It s a big plus sign, or a cross. - Istvan
Message 5 of 23 , Apr 2, 2007
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It's a big plus sign, or a cross.

- Istvan

> Any chance you could make on and take a pic of it.I am trying but I just
> cant picture it.lol
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> Domingos
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> From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Frederick Fenters
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:08 PM
> To: MidrealmArchery@yahoogroups.com; SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re:New "Mail In Tournament"
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> The art did not come out on the lists the way I meant it to do. Picture a
> lower case "T" the way we were taught in first grade. Place the crossbar
> halfway down the upright and centered left to right. That's the target.
> Two widths of duct tape for each arm.
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• Sir Jon, you are correct that the width is 4 inches. Domingos, I wish I could, but no digital camera. Let me try one more time, using the space bar instead of
Message 6 of 23 , Apr 2, 2007
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Sir Jon, you are correct that the width is 4 inches.

Domingos, I wish I could, but no digital camera. Let me try one more time,
using the space bar instead of the tab key;

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Crossing my fingers,

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• I have come to the conclusion that it is Yahell taking away the spaces leading the pic of the vertical bar. I will see wat else I can do. Padraig [Non-text
Message 7 of 23 , Apr 3, 2007
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I have come to the conclusion that it is Yahell taking away the spaces
leading the pic of the vertical bar. I will see wat else I can do.

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• Good Morrow to thee, Lord Padraigh. Very good idea for the shoot. I really like the battle slit. Very challenging. It can be put anywhere in the verticle. High
Message 8 of 23 , Apr 8, 2007
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Good Morrow to thee, Lord Padraigh. Very good idea for the shoot. I really like the battle slit. Very challenging. It can be put anywhere in the verticle. High position or low? 20ft. up might be a bit much tho! Or on the ground for a lower position on wall. Depends on range set-up. Always different. BTW, where do we send the scores? Curious minds must know. YIS, Ld. Abner de Plunkett. West Kingdom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Frederick Fenters
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:03 PM
To: MidrealmArchery@yahoogroups.com, SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Archery] New "Mail In Tournament"

I probably will kick myself for this when the scores start coming in and I
have to build a website, but I am taking up where the Unicorn Challenge, run
by Lord Caedmon Wilson left off. The season starts now and ends September
30.

Fenri's Challenge is the new game in town. I will use the same scoring
format that worked so well in the Unicorn Challenge. The archer starts out
standing 10 yards from the target and shoots a flight of 10 arrows. Once a
"perfect 10" is scored, the archer progresses back to 20 yards. Score is
the total of hits on target up to the present position. For example, s
person posting a score of 11 has shot the required perfect round at 10 yards
and hit 1 in the flight at 20 yards. Once one has run that "perfect 10" at
a given distance, he/she/it/they need not shoot that distance again for the
rest of the season. Explaination: once you hit 10/10 at 10 yards, you
progress to 20 yards and start each time at 20 yards for score. You may
shoot the shorter distances for practice, but once you have scored 10/10 at
a given distance, no further score at that distance need be submitted. A
score of 55 means that the archer has managed that "perfect 10" at 10, 20,
30, 40, and 50 yards and has hit 5 of 10 at 60 yards.

Now for the fun part: the Target.

Based on pictures I have seen of British castles and the ones I visited in
Germany when my "rich Uncle Sam" paid for my 3 year trip, I wish to use a
semi-cruciform slot for our target this year. What do you mean, you ask.

**

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**

************

************

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Each line of stars represents a piece of duct tape in the standard U.S. 2
inch dimension. Canadians get no bonus for metric tape because it's my game
and I said so. (provincial attitude ain't it) :-)

The vertical arms total 36 inches (91.44 cm) (Don't say I am not helpful to
you folks trapped by the ice and snow) BTW, that means the arm going up and
down :-) the horizontal arm is centered from top to bottom and is 12 inches
(30.5 cm) wide.

Any arrow that hits any portion of the cruciform slot is counted as a hit.
Edge shots go to the archer. Make sure the top and bottom of the vertical
and the left and right ends of the horizontal are clean lines.

You may submit one score per person per day. We're on the honor system
here, so I am going to take your word. If I start getting a bunch of scores
of 151 or so, I am going to get doubtful and you may give me an excuse for a
road trip or to "sic" another marshal on you to prove your score.

Now get out there and put holes in things!

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• The address to send scores to is: Frederick Fenters 637 Prairie St Charlotte, MI 48813 e-mail: Padraig@cablespeed.com Please include Fenris Shoot in your
Message 9 of 23 , Apr 9, 2007
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The address to send scores to is:

Frederick Fenters

637 Prairie St

Charlotte, MI 48813

Please include "Fenris Shoot" in your subject line to assure that I do not
trouble getting to the computer some days between the on-line gamers and the
5 year old.

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• I have attempted to create a drawing of the target you have been describing for this shoot; please check out the file I ve posted, Fenri s Challenge 2000.tif,
Message 10 of 23 , Apr 18, 2007
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I have attempted to create a drawing of the target you have been
describing for this shoot; please check out the file I've posted,
Fenri's Challenge 2000.tif, and let me know if it is accurate.

Randal

--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Frederick Fenters" <padraig@...>
wrote:
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> Frederick Fenters
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> Charlotte, MI 48813
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> Please include "Fenris Shoot" in your subject line to assure that I
do not
I have
> trouble getting to the computer some days between the on-line
gamers and the
> 5 year old.
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• Many thanks! That is exactly what I meant. Padraig [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Message 11 of 23 , Apr 22, 2007
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Many thanks! That is exactly what I meant.

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• All I could see was ANSII characters.maybe it is the tiff format. I could open it if you sent it to me directly. Thanks Domingos _____ From:
Message 12 of 23 , Apr 23, 2007
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All I could see was ANSII characters.maybe it is the tiff format. I could
open it if you sent it to me directly.

Thanks

Domingos

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From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rusty McMillan
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:31 PM
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: New "Mail In Tournament"

I have attempted to create a drawing of the target you have been
describing for this shoot; please check out the file I've posted,
Fenri's Challenge 2000.tif, and let me know if it is accurate.

Randal

--- In SCA-Archery@ <mailto:SCA-Archery%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
wrote:
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> The address to send scores to is:
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> Frederick Fenters
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> 637 Prairie St
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> Charlotte, MI 48813
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> Please include "Fenris Shoot" in your subject line to assure that I
do not
I have
> trouble getting to the computer some days between the on-line
gamers and the
> 5 year old.
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• When Bill Brown put fingers to keys it was 4/23/07 7:58 AM... ... Click and hold (mac) or click-right (win) and download the file and view it with whatever
Message 13 of 23 , Apr 23, 2007
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When Bill Brown put fingers to keys it was 4/23/07 7:58 AM...

> All I could see was ANSII characters.maybe it is the tiff format. I could
> open it if you sent it to me directly.

Click and hold (mac) or click-right (win) and download the file and view
it with whatever you've got that reads TIFs.

Perhaps it should be re-posted as a JPG anyway. I opened it in Photoshop
and it comes up as having non-square pixels.

Anyway, maybe this'll do:
http://c-76-19-175-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net/FenrisChallenge2007.jpg

--
Fritz
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam.
• ... could ... It s prossible you could open the tiff (depending on your OS and/or other image software). I just uploaded a .gif version of the image to the
Message 14 of 23 , Apr 23, 2007
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--- In SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Brown" <stickbow@...> wrote:
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> All I could see was ANSII characters.maybe it is the tiff format. I
could
> open it if you sent it to me directly.
>
> Thanks
>
> Domingos

It's prossible you could open the tiff (depending on your OS and/or
other image software). I just uploaded a .gif version of the image to
the files area, so your browser won't have any problems viewing it.
• I m sorry if I m dense, but let me see if I got this format right. I go out one day, practice as much as I want and then declare I am going to start the round.
Message 15 of 23 , Apr 24, 2007
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I'm sorry if I'm dense, but let me see if I got this format right.

I go out one day, practice as much as I want and then declare I am
going to start the round. I hit 8 out of 10 at 10 yards, so my score
is 8 and I'm done for the day.

The next day I go out, practice, then declare the start, shoot 10 out
or 10 at 10 yards, move back to 20 yards and get a 3 out of 10. I
have a score of 13 and am done for the day.

The next day I go out, practice at any range I want, then declare a
start and start at 20 yards, get 8 out of 10, my score is 18 and I am
done for the day.

And so on.

Does this sound correct?

Want to make sure I have it right.

Lord Ryan of Rickford, Shire of al-Sahid, Caid
• ... Your example is very correct. -- Lord Caedmon Wilson Oaken Region Youth Combat Marshal Oaken Region Thrown Weapon Champion Leather Armor at Blacktower
Message 16 of 23 , Apr 24, 2007
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> Does this sound correct?

--
Lord Caedmon Wilson

Oaken Region Youth Combat Marshal
Oaken Region Thrown Weapon Champion

Leather Armor at Blacktower Enterprises
http://www.paragonkeep.com/BTE.html
• When Mark R. Miller put fingers to keys it was 4/24/07 1:18 PM... ... Hmmm... my impression is that you may shoot as many flights of ten as you like in a day,
Message 17 of 23 , Apr 24, 2007
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When Mark R. Miller put fingers to keys it was 4/24/07 1:18 PM...

> I'm sorry if I'm dense, but let me see if I got this format right.
>
> I go out one day, practice as much as I want and then declare I am
> going to start the round. I hit 8 out of 10 at 10 yards, so my score
> is 8 and I'm done for the day.
>
> The next day I go out, practice, then declare the start, shoot 10 out
> or 10 at 10 yards, move back to 20 yards and get a 3 out of 10. I
> have a score of 13 and am done for the day.
>
> The next day I go out, practice at any range I want, then declare a
> start and start at 20 yards, get 8 out of 10, my score is 18 and I am
> done for the day.
>
> And so on.
>
> Does this sound correct?

Hmmm... my impression is that you may shoot as many flights of ten as
you like in a day, progressing backwards as you get ten in at each
distance. No per-day or declaration constraints on shooting are given.

From the original posting:
> ... The archer starts out
> standing 10 yards from the target and shoots a flight of 10 arrows. Once a
> "perfect 10" is scored, the archer progresses back to 20 yards. Score is
> the total of hits on target up to the present position. For example, s
> person posting a score of 11 has shot the required perfect round at 10 yards
> and hit 1 in the flight at 20 yards. Once one has run that "perfect 10" at
> a given distance, he/she/it/they need not shoot that distance again for the
> rest of the season. Explaination: once you hit 10/10 at 10 yards, you
> progress to 20 yards and start each time at 20 yards for score. You may
> shoot the shorter distances for practice, but once you have scored 10/10 at
> a given distance, no further score at that distance need be submitted. A
> score of 55 means that the archer has managed that "perfect 10" at 10, 20,
> 30, 40, and 50 yards and has hit 5 of 10 at 60 yards.

and

> You may submit one score per person per day.

Which I take to mean your cumulative score at the end of the day.

--
Fritz
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam.
• So if I have already done 10 & 20 yards, and come out one day and start at 30 yards, shoot 10 arrows, don t make it, shoot another 10, don t make it, shoot
Message 18 of 23 , Apr 24, 2007
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So if I have already done 10 & 20 yards, and come out one day and start
at 30 yards, shoot 10 arrows, don't make it, shoot another 10, don't
make it, shoot another 10 and this time make it; I can then move back
to 40 yards and continue shooting?

I don't have to declare ahead of time that the next ten I shoot are for
score? I just can't start shooting and on my 4 arrow miss and then
start over again. I should been shooting a full round of 10 no matter
what?

Ryan
• Hummm, I see your point (no pun intended). Domingos _____ From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark R. Miller
Message 19 of 23 , Apr 24, 2007
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Hummm, I see your point (no pun intended).

Domingos

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From: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mark R. Miller
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:41 PM
To: SCA-Archery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SCA-Archery] Re: New "Mail In Tournament"

So if I have already done 10 & 20 yards, and come out one day and start
at 30 yards, shoot 10 arrows, don't make it, shoot another 10, don't
make it, shoot another 10 and this time make it; I can then move back
to 40 yards and continue shooting?

I don't have to declare ahead of time that the next ten I shoot are for
score? I just can't start shooting and on my 4 arrow miss and then
start over again. I should been shooting a full round of 10 no matter
what?

Ryan

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• When Mark R. Miller put fingers to keys it was 4/24/07 6:40 PM... ... The rules are not specific about that (that I can see) but the real object of all of this
Message 20 of 23 , Apr 25, 2007
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When Mark R. Miller put fingers to keys it was 4/24/07 6:40 PM...

> So if I have already done 10 & 20 yards, and come out one day and start
> at 30 yards, shoot 10 arrows, don't make it, shoot another 10, don't
> make it, shoot another 10 and this time make it; I can then move back
> to 40 yards and continue shooting?
>
> I don't have to declare ahead of time that the next ten I shoot are for
> score? I just can't start shooting and on my 4 arrow miss and then
> start over again. I should been shooting a full round of 10 no matter
> what?

The rules are not specific about that (that I can see) but the real
object of all of this is to become a better archer. Toward that end I
say shoot the full set of ten every time.

If you are missing now and again, your skill needs work, work on it. The
test in this shoot is whether you can intentionally put ten consecutive
arrows where you want them.

If you were to just start over every time you missed too many to improve

--
Fritz
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam.
• Remember, above all, the spirit of the rules, not the letter. These particular archery challenges (wreath, window, stump, etc) were meant as a challenge and
Message 21 of 23 , Apr 25, 2007
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Remember, above all, the spirit of the rules, not the letter. These
particular archery challenges (wreath, window, stump, etc) were meant
as a challenge and to bring a little fun back to the range. There is
no prize, just a hardy hand-shake for a job well-done when you finally
defeat a distance that was giving you fits.

Archery is more about self-realization that any reward another person
can give you. Your toughest critic will often be yourself. Seeking
the perfection of your own form is the ultimate goal.

-Caedmon
• Oh, I agree about the notion that this is really competing with yourself, but some people are competative for their own reasons and I just want a level playing
Message 22 of 23 , Apr 25, 2007
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Oh, I agree about the notion that this is really competing with
yourself, but some people are competative for their own reasons and I
just want a level playing field.

(I am sooooo out of practice that I will be stuck at 10 yards for quite
a while... but when I do get to move to 20 and maybe 30, it WILL be a
personal triumph.)

Looking forward to doing this.

Ryan
• The way I ran Caedmon s shoot in the past and the way I anticipate others running mine is that one must declare that the flight is for score. You may attempt
Message 23 of 23 , Apr 26, 2007
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The way I ran Caedmon's shoot in the past and the way I anticipate others
running mine is that one must declare that the flight is for score. You may
attempt multiple flights at a given distance, but must declare "this flight
is for score" before counting it.

If you do shoot multiple flights at a given range, please report all "for
score" flights. As Fritz noted, we are looking for skill, not luck. A
couple of 8 or 9 rounds before scoring a 10 means that you are showing
skill.

Clear as mud? Good. Caedmon is also very correct in that this is intended
to be fun as well as allowing a comparison.