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I thought Ansteorra was the kingdom with Master Ilio? I find it hard to beleive that people there can not recognize acheivements in the arts of archery.
From: Doug Copley <doug.copley@...>;
Subject: Re: [SCA-Archery] Re: What is Period Archery.
Sent: Tue, Oct 29, 2013 1:16:18 PM
That sounds like a great idea but I believe that we are at least 10 to 15 years away from being able to do that here. The other problem is that I believe that we need a standard set of rules and guidelines that we can use across the SCA. Not a constant changing based on what region and who is inspecting or reviewing that day at that event.In Ansteorra, Archery is the bastard step-child. We do not belong to any group. No group wants us as part of them. Many of us have never even been able to get a beginner A&S award for any of our work because we are archers and that is part of becoming an Arc d'Or (Grant level Archery) . . . NOT A&S.I know that not all Kingdoms are this way but it is what we have and we are working to change it but it is going to take time. We cannot use this system here.VincentiAnsteorraOn Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Kevin Smith <kevinsmith5@...> wrote:
I don't think you're following the line of reasoning I'm using here. The marshals will be to busy on range days to HAVE time to inspect bows for "period correct" on shooting days so I'm proposing a system of inspection at other times where we have "Archer Antiquarians" who are made Laurels to handle the certification of the period correctness of a archers tackle and certify it. If we make it an honor to be acclaimed as a period correct archer we ENCOURAGE more period correct archers. Isn't that the goal???
On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:Still the same problem. I do not know of any Laurels in the region that are archers / bowyers. I think we need to have the rules set and the marshals need to be able to handle it. If the rules and guidelines are so complex that the marshals can't do it then we have a bad set of rules.VincentiOn Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Kevin Smith <kevinsmith5@...> wrote:
What I'm talking about is having Laurels that ARE archers/Bowyers. Not necessarily current Laurels.
On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:
maybe the Laurels in your area would be capable of this but not in our region. I do not know of a Laurel within 300 miles that would be qualified but I know of several archers that would be. I do not think that trying to get the Laurels involved is a good idea at all.VincentiOn Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Kevin Smith <kevinsmith5@...> wrote:
I'm not saying this is something that could be done overnight. In fact it might require there to be Laurels who were JUST archer-antiquarians and Bowyers. I think there are probably enough serious Bowyers in the SCA for that to work. If we can have all the process in place to get heavy fighters certified, why not this?
On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Doug Copley <doug.copley@...> wrote:The problem with having A&S inspect it they are judging it based on Kingdom A&S score sheets. They are not inspecting it to see if it passes certain Archery criteria and they are not inspecting to see if it is safe to shoot and that the Archer knows how to safely shoot it. I would not trust a Laurel to do this.VincentiAnsteorra.On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Kevin Smith <kevinsmith5@...> wrote:
Why not have the period gear "warranted" in advance to shoot in the period rounds? Instead of a marshal having to inspect equipment and documentation at the range day if the shoot the equipment and documentation gets inspected and certified in advance by A&S....
On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Jim Pickette <pickette@...> wrote:
Somehow we must reasonably include a thousand years and a hundred regions. One way is for the archer or bowyer to bring research to share at meetings and practices and competitions. None of us will be experts for all of the sources and possibilities. Sharing and inclusion.
James of Odo, Fidelibus
---- "bluecat@..." <bluecat@...> wrote:
> John R's post was excellent. Thanks very much.
> The bottom line is this as far as I am concerned:
> Set a base standard of what is considered period versus modern.
> NOTE---> But you had best do your homework before you start excluding things that really *did* exist in period.
> If you want a level playing field, you create divisions by type of bow- and shoot.
> You leave room for the 'casual' archer to come out and play.
> Everyone has fun.
> INCLUSION is the point- NOT exclusion.
> I insist that folks go out there and do their own research before they start saying what was used or what was
> not. NO guessing.
> It would save all of us a lot of Excedrin.
> Dirk Edward of Frisia