I have not yet seen the movie. However, as an experienced
collector of Maya items, I have to say that the maya obsession with
human sacrifice is perhaps more pronounced than their obsession with
timekeeping and astronomy. Indeed to them, there was no separation
between these subjects. Rather, the sacrifices were a way to keep
order in their world.
I agree that the Spanish invasion caused even more horror than
the Maya had seen to date. However, I don't believe for a second
that they were a peaceful "live and let live" people, even during the
Can't wait to see the movie!
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, jdaintira@.. . wrote:
> Ordinarily I try to steer clear of cross posting that is opinion,
> I have not seen Apocalypto, as a student of Mayan culture, I am
> what Mitch describes in his Earthchanges Newsletter, and I can
only hope that
> this movie does not fare well.
> There is no question but that at the end of Mayan civilization,
> after most of the major cities had gone back to the jungle, and
> remnants of the culture had been heavily infiltrated and influenced
> cultures, notably the Aztecs, there were bloody excesses, but this
was not who
> they were as a civilization at its height.
> ~ Judith Marie
> My Personal Review of âApocalyptoâ
> by Mitch Battros - ECM/ECTV
> There are generally two distinct perspectives of the Mayan
culture. One is
> a culture of an astronomically advanced society with a bewildering
> understanding of the sky and universe. Also of a spiritually
focused community with a
> passion of stewardship to âGaiaâ or Mother Earthâ¦as with
> The second view of the Mayan culture is of a savage backward
> society of evil worship and human sacrifice. This view also
believes the Maya
> were wasteful stupid people quickly devouring their surroundings
and leading to
> their demise.
> Mel Gibson has gone full throttle into the second view of the
Maya. So much
> so, towards the end of the movie we see the Spanish ships docking
> shores of perhaps Guatemala or Belize. The Spanish Inquisition had
> toll on the Yucatan.
> This movie is filled with blood, and guts, and beheadings, and
> hearts, and torture, and everything for those who love this stuff
> have to see. Okay fine; go see it---But please remember this is
> fact. I fear people will come away from this filth
> accurate depiction of history.
> Gibsonâs disdain for anything other than his slant on
> blasting through with a conscious intent to sabotage all spiritual
> beliefs----except his own of course. At one time I felt sorry for
this knucklehead when
> he was charged with a DUI and jailed. And who could forget his
> anti-Semite Jew hating babble. Now I realize he just doesnât
hate Jews, he hates
> everybody who isnât Christian. Not just Christian, but âhis
> This movie put a sour taste in my mouth, and sadness in my heart.
> are less educated about this culture will actually âcheerâ
when they see
> the Spanish vessels arrive off shore. Of course the movie ends
there not giving
> the story of what happened next.
Spanish Inquisition was led by Diego de Landa CalderÃ³n (1524
> and was Bishop of YucatÃ¡n. Landa's Inquisition showered a level
> abuse upon the indigenous Maya that many viewed as excessive, and
was at the
> very least unusual. Scores of Maya nobles were jailed pending
> large numbers of Maya nobles and commoners were subjected to
> under "hoisting." During hoisting, a victim's hands were bound and
> an extended line that was then raised until the victim's entire
> suspended in the air. Often, stone weights were added to the
ankles or lashes
> applied to the back during interrogation.
> Some contemporary observers were troubled by this widespread use
> torture. Crown fiat had earlier exempted indigenous peoples from
the authority of
Inquisition, on the grounds that their understanding of
> "too childish" to be held culpable for heresies. Additionally,
> with much of the extensive formal procedure and documentation that
> accompanied Spanish torture and interrogation.
> Landa defended his actions by arguing that in the process of
> idolatry, he had discovered evidence of human sacrifice. One of
> victims, Mani encomendero DasbatÃ©s, was even found later to be
> Landa was sent back to Spain by Bishop Toral, to stand trial for
> an illegal Inquisition. His actions were strongly condemned before
> Council of the Indies. This resulted in a "committee of doctors"
> commissioned to investigate Landa's alleged crimes. In 1569 the
committee absolved Landa
> of his crimes. Bishop
Toral died in Mexico in 1571, allowing King
> II of Spain to appoint Landa as the fourth-appointed bishop of
> Mel Gibson you should be ashamed of yourself. Maybe this is why
you went on
> a binder after some years of sobriety. Living a lie, and worse
> the flames of prejudice, I can better understand why the taste and
> beer and liquor was just too tempting.
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