20,636 RP schools have no principals.... The public school system still needs 15,060 classrooms, 11,054 teachers, 9.9 million textbooks and 4.12 million seatsMessage 1 of 24 , Sep 30, 2003View Source20,636 RP schools have no principals....
The public school system still needs 15,060 classrooms, 11,054
teachers, 9.9 million textbooks and 4.12 million seats to meet
Maybe I should start applying as a teacher but I'm not patient
when it comes to teaching. Experts says that geniuses can't
be good teachers. Fact is....an average person can teach better
compared to above average who get easily mad especially if the
students are stubborn....:^) 'di ba Ms. Crimson? Teachers need
to sacrifice more time for their students and they need to share
moral values too.
So as I said before, the government should encourage all our
teachers working as domestic helpers and give them free seminars
to cope up with the new educational system since they stopped
teaching. (Mabuting bumalik na lang sila kaysa mapariwara gaya
ng ibang nagpro-prostitute na, kahit ang may asawa na).
In Marcos time, there was no geography subject in the school
curriculum (sabi ng mga seniors sa opisina namin), so few students
learned geography (kaya kahit mapa ng Pilipinas hindi alam). Maybe
Marcos thought that Filipinos would not have the desire to go out of
the country (besides their family and relatives) if they don't know
other countries. But when the economy began to fall; the mass exodus
started. That was the time people began to explore and the success
of some Filipinos abroad spread. Note that in the early 70's, when
you were a laborer in the Middle East, you earned a lot. Unlike
today that the salary offers are low, only for survival. You can
immediately build a mansion in the Philippines within 3 years of
working there. So, the people began to feel that it is nice to work
and live outside the country for status improvement, as some people
started to learn geography (e.g. Saan ba ang Saudi ha?).
Then the mass migration happened, even to the extent of illegal
working or staying in foreign lands (and iba nagmamakaawa na sa MIA
mapayagan lang makaalis kahit sa Macao lang). Some are just grabbing
opportunity to get out of the country by means of 'mail order brides'
as Ms. Crimson always says. Imagine in USA, some Americans are
wasting thousands of dollars just to get their Filipina fiancées
from the Philippines to US. I even heard one American paid around
$40,000. Why will these Americans pay huge amounts of money if they
will not benefit from them in return? This racket which encourages
women in poor countries to enter US through this MOB Trade, is
STILL operating in the Philippines. (Their main office is in US,
some in Canada & Australia). e.g. http://www.natashaclub.com
*Sadly, 70% of these Filipinas who married Americans were abused
and were sent to prostitution by their own husbands, while some
use their own wives to engage on sex chat rooms to earn money
(*This is from a documentary and it is also happening with other
Can our government do something about this?
Maybe we can 'BAN' (or make a law) against this MOB business.
Or report it to - http://www.catwinternational.org/about/
Imagine, even married women are trying this 'trend'. They will
leave their husband or will find a way how to get rid of them,
they will go abroad and find another rich guy that can give them
the luxuries they haven't had before. Then those who found luck will
then encourage their sisters, cousins or relatives to do the same
(Ang ilang kababaihan natin openly ginagawa na, ang katwiran
praktikal lang sila at ang iba ginawa pang negosyo, this is true).
Ms. Crimson this is an additional info for your research:
This post is not to embarrass or humiliate our women but to
share a lesson. There was a woman from Baguio who visited a
relative in Europe and upon her arrival she told her cousin's
husband to find a man for her. At first, she claimed that
'Filipinos are intelligent' and she acted as one. She's telling
things that grade school students knew already, seems she just
learned the things lately. As the story goes, they sent her infos
to several dating magazines (whatever) and of course there were
responses (gusto nila ang Asiano, madaling hawakan sa leeg).
Afterwards, she tried to meet some of the guys until she was
almost raped by one. Hmmmm, isn't it a fact that most guys are
looking forward to something? My goodness, if she's intelligent
enough, she will not stay in the flat of a stranger even she's
been married before. Who's to blame? If it was the idea of her
cousin's husband or whoever, if she had no intention or desire
to seek a guy, no one can force her to publish her info. Since
she let her data be published, it's logical that it's her plan.
Our women were not like this before, there's something wrong.
(Nakikita kasi sa mga balakyot na prominenteng politiko at mga
artista eh). It's really happening....
Is it because of poverty, mal education or we already have a
Not to mention that this new government is also degrading our women
by allowing agencies to send much younger entertainers (below 18) to
Japan. Instead of encouraging these young women to pursue their
education, they just let them dance in front of the sakangs, sigh....
(*In Tokyo, it is legal for men to have sex with children as young as
the age of twelve.
So, I bet alam naman ninyo na ang magiging buhay ng mga kabataang
babae natin doon).
Nevertheless, to defy the controversy, this trend also happened
in Europe long before WW1. Poor parents were sending their daughters
to prostitution or selling them to rich men or forcing them to
marry rich foreigners, so their family can survive. Oh, Japan and
US is not an exception. Today, it's rampant in poor countries
especially in the rural areas and if you will research more, it's
still happening in North America.
What can we do now is to teach the new generation that there is
still hope for our country. Exodus is not the answer.... and
since, the lack of education has always been the problem that
causes our slow progress..... 'academic intellect' should increase
where 'moral values' should ALSO be given a priority.
So, READ more, study and apply what you learned....
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... Whose moral values? You cant impose your own moral values to others!!! Morality is subjective:-) In this kind of morality anyway. (Their main office is inMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 4, 2003View Sourcemarl0 wrote:
>>> Fact is....an average person can teach betterWhose moral values? You cant impose your own moral values to
> compared to above average who get easily mad especially if the
> students are stubborn....:^) 'di ba Ms. Crimson? Teachers need
> to sacrifice more time for their students and they need to share
> moral values too.
others!!! Morality is subjective:-) In this kind of morality anyway.
(Their main office is in US,
> some in Canada & Australia). e.g. http://www.natashaclub.comThe internet makes buying a wife from the Philipine easy. Internet
> *Sadly, 70% of these Filipinas who married Americans were abused
> and were sent to prostitution by their own husbands, while some
> use their own wives to engage on sex chat rooms to earn money>>>
sex sites has reached 80,000 this year from 200 sites in the 70s.
Most of them are selling Filipinas. Their websites have pictures and
vital information of Filipino women wanting to marry "rejects" ( men
who are no longer accepted in their own society:-)
> Can our government do something about this?The 8th Congress of the Philippines passed and approved on 13 June
> Maybe we can 'BAN' (or make a law) against this MOB business.
> Or report it to - http://www.catwinternational.org/about/>>>>
1990 , Republic Act 6955, otherwise known as "mail order brides" law.
Cory Aquino, the first woman President, signed this into law. The
act is supposed to prevent and criminalise the matching of Filipino
women to foreign men. This "mail order brides" law also prohibits
advertising, matching and distributing of literature, banning pen
pal clubs, introduction agencies and escort services.
Unfortunately, the law has not been truly enforced and the MOB
business continues clandestinely. One of the reasons for this is
that it is only illegal in the Philippines not in foreign countries.
As you have said, they are freely operating in Germany, Canada,
Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere and they devise methods outside
of Filipino law to recruit MOB applicants.
Despite the f****** MOB 6955 law:-)statistics show that one of the
prime exports of the Philippines is MOBs.
> Ms. Crimson this is an additional info for your research:To accept the MOB system of marriage as being normal is a double
> This post is not to embarrass or humiliate our women but to
> share a lesson>>>>
standard for a pre dominantly Catholic country where divorce does
not exists and abortion is illegal. It is also integrated into the
Philippines' cultural system that most Filipinos could no longer see
your own imorality of selling Filipino women.
Further, most Filipino women allowed themselves to sink into this
system of marriage whereby the means justify the ends.
A cost to human transactions means losing the very Filipino
In socialism, eradication of this system is mandatory:-)
... In this world, we have common [moral] values (e.g. thou shall not kill , thou shall not steal , that were taken from the Jewish manuscripts and wereMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 5, 2003View Source
> Ms. Crimson wrote:In this world, we have common [moral] values (e.g. 'thou shall not
> Morality is subjective.
kill', 'thou shall not steal', that were taken from the Jewish
manuscripts and were adopted.) which are used around the world by
different religions, so I think we can't just take moral values
aside. It is within civilization. As I said before (message#1321),
since most beliefs are based on moral values that most people rely on
and even those people who claimed that they have no religion still
believe that their 'actions speak for themselves', so it can be
called a sort of observance too.... and we call it religion.
When we say that an infant is amoral it's true but as the child
grows, he needs to learn moral values (right and wrong). So, from
where will he learn that? Surely, he will learn it from his parents
and his surroundings.
Actually I'm not a fanatic of any religion, but I believe there is a
God. I'm glad that we (me and my siblings) learned moral values (good
upbringing) from our parents, especially from our beloved mother who
doesn't want us to go astray. Actually as a kid, I'm already
skeptical when it comes to belief(s). I had a lot of questions.
First, I was doubtful of my first communion because I wonder how the
priest could know what prayers I need and how a piece of bread could
wash away my sins. Second, when I was 9 while we were stargazing, I
suddenly asked my father who created God and where He came from. He
was shocked with my questions and said, "Oh that's tough!" Since he
doesn't know how to answer me, he just replied, "Let us leave it like
that and don't think about it, you will know the answers sometime".
Thirdly, when I accompanied my mother in the church, I wondered why
she needed to wipe the statues before making the sign of the cross
(good, today she's not doing it anymore). Then after some years, my
questions were answered one by one. Today, I still believe that there
is God though at the same time I believe in evolution....
Back to what you wrote that 'morality is subjective', I think it is
half right since we don't learn all these ethics alone. We can see
and observe it everywhere. So, family manners count and society
contributes .. Just like the saying, 'if you go with stupid people,
later on you will be like one', or 'if the parents are adulterers,
surely one of their children or grandchildren will also be like
them'. Therefore, if a person already learned what's right or wrong
(common values) and still did the inappropriate things, now that's
what we called "man's free will".... so the case that 'you can't
impose your own moral values to others' WILL THEN be true.
>The internet makes buying a wife from the Philippine easy.the 70s.
>Internet sex sites has reached 80,000 this year from 200 sites in
Sigh.... I'm getting angry again.... Imagine, the US Imperialists
killed millions of Filipinos when they colonized us; they screwed up
our political system, screwed up our culture and until now that the
American bases were already closed, they are still screwing up our
women via this MOB trade! It's really bad that some IMMORAL American
capitalists started this MOB trade and imparted this culture in the
Philippines, hmmmm they earned a lot from our women. What can we do?
TEACH our women, give them work so they will not be caught in this
> The 8th Congress of the Philippines passed and approved on 13 JuneYa, I read it from one of the links after I wrote the post
> 1990 , Republic Act 6955, otherwise known as "mail order brides"
> law. Cory Aquino, the first woman President, signed this into law.
Thanks to Cory Aquino then, but as you said the law has not been
>As you have said, they are freely operating in Germany, Canada,Yes, MOB trade boomed in Europe a bit later than in US. Actually, I
>Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere
>To accept the MOB system of marriage as being normal is a double
>standard for a pre dominantly Catholic country where divorce does
>not exists and abortion is illegal.
>Further, most Filipino women allowed themselves to sink into this
>system of marriage whereby the means justify the ends.
>A cost to human transactions means losing the very
>In socialism, eradication of this system is mandatory :-)
learned this when I was applying for a visa in Germany. I saw a lot
of old farts together with their young fiancées in the German
Embassy. Most of the girls were shy, seemed innocent and freshly came
from the provinces. I wonder if they read one of the brochures that
were lying on the board - for them to read but I haven't seen anyone
of them reading it (I hope the others read it). The papers were all
about the awareness regarding prostitution via MOB trade in Germany.
Then I read that some of our women were already victims of the scheme
(e.g. the guy will marry the girl just for the visa purposes and then
she will go directly to illegal prostitution). In Germany alone, all
kinds of prostitutes from different parts of the world are hanging in
big cities like Hamburg, Munich, Frankfurt, Bonn and Berlin. In the
big cities of England, France and Italy (more to name), it's just the
same. Though prostitution is allowed in some parts of Europe, they
still have illegal prostitutes (one who doesn't pay taxes and has no
health insurance) and this MOB trade also exists but not as
comparable to the numbers in US and Australia. The worse thing, like
I wrote in the previous post that some of our kababayans are part of
this MOB trade abroad, they are selling their own women for the love
of money. As I always say, even developed countries have a hard time
solving these kinds of problems. In the former Eastern European
countries where socialism was practiced there were no prostitution,
pornography and MOB trade (of course they don't like capitalists) but
still there were some illegal prostitutes. Regarding interracial
marriages, they didn't have problems with that; actually they
tolerated it so they will not be branded as Nazis.
Actually, Japan and China are the only countries I knew that don't
encourage interracial marriages and of course the Nazi Germany before
WW2. However, when I was in Japan, I thought that the Japanese women
are conservative but I was shocked to find out it's not. I observed
that there's a lot of Japanese women (even the married ones:^D) that
are dying to have a foreign boyfriend. I guessed their women are so
lonely because their men are workaholics :^).
Just to give our (poor) women something to think about:
A scientific fact says females determine the course of evolution, as
intelligence is transferred from the mother through child, so if the
child is stupid it means the mother is worse :^D. Therefore, it is
better for our women to be careful in choosing the father for their
children. Marrying not just for wealth, status or opportunities but
rather choose the man with integrity, wisdom and the faculty to give
moral values to their children. ~MarL
... Actually, that s not true. I m not sure if the Philippines has the largest export of women in the world, but if it is, Eastern Europe I m sure is a closeMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 5, 2003View Source
> In the former Eastern EuropeanActually, that's not true. I'm not sure if the Philippines has the
> countries where socialism was practiced there were no prostitution,
> pornography and MOB trade (of course they don't like capitalists)...
largest export of women in the world, but if it is, Eastern Europe
I'm sure is a close second. Russian mailorder brides are huge. I know
someone from Bulgaria who said many of the women have disappeared.
Some go voluntarily, thinking they will work as domestic workers
abroad, and end up being forced into virtual slavery as prostitutes
or workers without any rights. Many more are kidnapped. Mail-order
brides, domestic workers, forced prostitution, slavery: the trade in
human beings is the third-largest illegal enterprise in the world,
and it is fast overcoming the top two (drugs and guns).
The international trade in humans is growing at a phenomenal rate. It
seems to be part and parcel to globalization and expanding
capitalism. Should it surprise anyone? Capitalism developed on the
back of slaves, it was slaves who built up the capitalist system. The
capital of the USA itself, Washington, D.C., was literallly built by
slaves. Exploited illigrant migrant workers - virtual slaves making
pennies a day - are the backbone to capitalist countries'
agricultural system. Meanwhile, sweat-shop workers, lacking any
political rights and making a penny a day clothe the "West." So
capitalism was built on slavery and is expanding on illegal slavery
and "legal" exploitation.
Sorry, what I meant last time was that prostitution, pornography and MOB trade were not allowed though they had the knowledge that some women were also intoMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 6, 2003View SourceSorry, what I meant last time was that 'prostitution, pornography and
MOB trade were not allowed' though they had the knowledge that some
women were also into prostitution.
--- <desocimr@y...> wrote:
>Russian mailorder brides are huge. I know someone fromI think that's possible, since prostitution is one of the oldest (and
>Bulgaria who said many of the women have disappeared.
easier to get) jobs, it is hard to control it. About the Russian
MOB, maybe now it's the number one, since they are cheaper to get
nowadays. In addition, if we will just talk about physical
appearance, I think there are a lot of nice Russian girls :) (at
least in the Western part of Russia). They are also good match for
white men and like what they said in their site, they can easily
adopt the Western culture.
>Mail-order brides, domestic workers, forced prostitution, slavery:Yes, it's sad. Not to mention the thousands of Chinese who were
>the trade in human beings is the third-largest illegal enterprise
>in the world, and it is fast overcoming the top two (drugs and guns).
smuggled via trailers from China and usually found dead at the Pier
of Dover. Then, it was found out that 'these operations are run by
Thanks for the infos Michael.
I also found this site that further explain the term 'EXPLOITATION':
Whatever you wrote about Chinese and Japanese women are pure generalization... true, some of these women may have gone to prostitution but that does not meanMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 6, 2003View SourceWhatever you wrote about Chinese and Japanese women are
pure generalization... true, some of these women may have
gone to prostitution but that does not mean everyone of
them..or all of them. I tend to blame these things on too
much freedom of the press.
In the Philippines, small and very unimportant news
are amplified by newspapers(penny-worth tabloids)
and they become headlines..just to make money. I tend
to blame these things on too much freedom of the press.
Prostitution is the oldest vocation and it is
spread world-wide..there is no perfect society
where its citizens are free from poverty that they
have to resort to an easier profession like
It was you, yourself who mentioned that there
were also places in Europe where there's rampant
prostitution, so, considering the economics between
our country and Europe, would you say that they are
some affluent nations as compared to ours? So, if
these Asian women are involved in prostitution,
I believe it is not of their own choosing...maybe,
just maybe, a victim of economic circumstance where
they are forced to engage themselves into this
Even the description of their men that they are
alcoholics, etc., these are pure accusations and
generalization. For example, should we feel proud
if someone says..all Filipino women are slobbish
when they get to the middle age? Or should we say,
all Italian men are good in ceramic tiling...
I agree with most of what you say..but please, we
are not the only ones reading our posts..don't
forget that this is through cyberspace and is open
I don't want to hear anymore accusations from
other people..let's confine our posts to topics
of general interests but without generalization.
I don't also agree with the premise you have
as the deduction does not justify rationalization.
I hope I didn't offend you nor was I trying to
preach..it is only a matter of personal opinion..
take it or leave it.
... Regarding the issue, it just looks like an overstatement but in fact it s not and if I did use the word some or few , it means not ALL . Actually, we hadMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 8, 2003View Source--- flavio gomez <flavio91720002000@y...> wrote:
> Whatever you wrote about Chinese and Japanese women areRegarding the issue, it just looks like an overstatement but in
> pure generalization... true, some of these women may have
> gone to prostitution but that does not mean everyone of
> them..or all of them. I tend to blame these things on too
> much freedom of the press.
fact it's not and if I did use the word 'some or few', it means
not 'ALL'. Actually, we had this similar issue last year
(try to search msg #608 and click thread) and yes I agreed with
Ms.Crimson. I think, she wants to give our women some precautions
based on her remarks (if that is her motive). Actually,
I'm not sure if she's a 'Gabriela member' or an Australian
diplomat who wants to share something. Besides, I can't answer
her in Tagalog and I don't know if she understands any Filipino
dialect (Tagalog sana ang sagot ko para tayo-tayo lang ang
nakakaalam, pero nagtatanong din siya kung mai-isasalin ko
True, we have a lot of readers here, we even have foreign
journalists' subscribers. (Ewan ko kung bakit sila naghahanap ng
balita dito) and I don't think that allowing this issue in our
forum is a sort of irresponsibility. Facts are out there we can't
hide it... We have UN, UNICEF & other organizations that work on
these global problems. Besides, I consider this forum a learning
ground and the issues are news. On the other hand, I always DEFY
some controversies..... We are NOT WORSE enough compared to other
countries. I bet these foreign journalists are also researching
and they know that this issue is not only in the Philippines. This
problem exists throughout the world, in the richest and poorest
(Oh, nag-research pa ako)
*In China with more than 435M female pop. and where prostitution
is illegal... still uncountable prostitutes work underground plus
the larger numbers of human exploitation. It can't be track down.
In India, AIDS is rampant because of illegal prostitution. Not to
mention child prostitutions and some unheard facts in Africa.
Note: MOD trade in Russia, Latin America and in African countries
are also increasing, even in Japan & Korea.
In our case: We have around 26M (from 15~64yrs old) females. So,
if the numbers of women entering the trade are about 5,000/yr.
in US alone (as Senator wrote), it's not even point zero two (0.02)
percent of the female pop/year, compared to unknown numbers of
victims in other countries whose arrangements are not via internet.
I also observed that the majority of women engage in this MOB trade
are from Cebu Island (as you see in most of the websites), others
from different provinces and of course Metro-Manila is not an
exception, since more than half of the population also came from
the rural. Fact is.... a lot of our poor women are already desperate
of hard life. So, this trend is hard to control unless we can
discourage them to enter here. Maybe, this is also cause by several
internet cafés in the Philippines that they can easily access
(mura kasi ang email sa ordinary mail) plus they heard all the nice
news (reverse to the real story) from other women who did it first.
So, their hopes of good lives are already focused on marrying
foreigners and thinking that MOB trade could help. Therefore,
this 'phenomenon' exists continuously - especially via internet.
Some years ago, an American friend told me that he found a couple
of websites (I forgot the link) consisting some hate views against
Filipino women or Filipinos and Asians in general. I think it was
even in the newspaper. So, I believe that MOB trade is a big issue
in Australia and New Zealand, because a lot of Filipinas there are
married to white men. But I wonder why this issue of racism is so
popular there, since the world knows that Australia and New Zealand
were dominated by Aborigines and Maoris who were also related to
Micronesians and Polynesians (means also related to us), and not
by white men. History tells us that the early white settlers in
Australia were convicts of the British Empire and some convicts
were also transported to New Zealand, while some poor people from
England and Scotland moved there in late 1700s for a new life.
So, how come that racism is prominent in these countries? As if,
Asians have no right to settle there.
>Flavio wrote: I don't want to hear anymore accusations from otherpeople..
Don't worry, this MOB issue is a reminder for our young women
and they need to be vigilant. That's why we have this forum.
I believe that sooner or later, it will be diminished.
(Wala naman tayong magawa, nag-kalat naman talaga sa internet).
Then, if somebody (ibang lahi) will tell negative things against
our women, just choose the right answer. Where's Utopia anyway?
Rich and poor countries have almost similar problems. Sometimes,
the problems of rich countries are worse compared to us (at least
this is a breather ha). In addition, as human exploitation has
always been practice.... there was a time that white women were
also used as gifts for Persian Kings and Chinese Emperors while
white men were warriors/slaves in the Roman Empire.
*I agree with Michael's post that 'the trade in human beings is
the third-largest illegal enterprise in the world, and it is fast
overcoming the top two (drugs and guns)'.
Poverty is the primary reason for this human exploitation and it
is also intertwined with the issues of globalization. These traders
think that children and women are just commodities..... sigh.
Poverty is certainly a major cause of all the miseries of the human race. When a person is hungry he could think of many things inorder to keep his thoughtsMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 9, 2003View SourcePoverty is certainly a major cause of all the
miseries of the human race. When a person is hungry
he could think of many things inorder to keep his
thoughts occupied. Karl Marx is an example, an
impoverished German political philisopher who founded
In the Philippines, I say we are really poor
but poverty appears to be concentrated in the
big cities where people from the provinces congregate,
thus, creating an increase in population which cannot
be absorbed by the local government.
From since the beginning of this republic,
has any of the presidents ever thought of, or
considered, decentralizing and regionalizing some
departments, in order to minimize traffic and
creating jobs for people from their own regions?
Why is it necessary for Manila to be the center
of business and trade? In these days and age, every
thing is within reach, even transportation is no
longer a problem in logistics.
If the department of Tourism, for example, were
relocated to Cebu, if the department of Forestry
were relocated to Basilan, or if the department of
Fisheries were relocated to, say, Palawan, wouldn't
you think people from those places, who incidentally
migrated to Manila, would prefer to go home and
work where they would be closer to families and
friends? And if the goverment and private sectors
even think or consider for a moment of shift works,
don't you think it would minimize the traffic
I really don't know why everybody has to start
work at 8:00 in the morning...true, some people start
work at 3:00 in the afternoon, shift work, but
those people who start work in the morning, instead of
going home directly, they tend to hang-around malls,
movie houses, etc., thus adding problems to the
already congested areas.
And because of government centralization that we
see poverty..there are more unemployed people in
Manila where they should be somewhere else..and
this is a reason for many of them to go to the big
cities, in hopes of finding employment, and since
there's never enough employment for everyone, these
people, especially women, are forced to rersort to
something else, either immorally or illegally..and
we don't have anybody to blame except again, our
I don't know why most Aussies discriminate..I
guess it is because discrimination is nature's
way of liking or disliking what we see around us..
what about us..don't we or didn't we discriminate
the Chinese who are in the country?
We always, at one time or another, liked the
Americans because they always gave us something..
we always disliked the Japanese for the very reasons
we suffered from their hands during the occupation.,.
we always disliked the Chinese because we had
internalized the thought that they are dirty and
unethical when they spit everywhere and eat with
their feet up? Or what about the East Indians who
sell payong and kulambo..hulugan and paiyakan?
Well..whatever, I strongly believe that women who
resort to prostitution and MOB are forced by their
desire to live a better life, where the government
cannot afford to protect and sustain its citizens,
I find this acceptable..it is immoral yet they,too,
have the right to live..am I an Angel? Who is?
Flavio, you wrote some very interesting points and issues to ponder on. ... -Agree. However poverty is just one of the mitigating factors of misery. Let s notMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 10, 2003View SourceFlavio, you wrote some very interesting points and issues to ponder on.
>Poverty is certainly a major cause of all the miseries-Agree. However poverty is just one of the mitigating factors
>of the human race.
of misery. Let's not forget that greed and corruption are also
key factors that hurts and leads to a defunct economy. The mindset
and social behavior of the people from all classes, from the very
poor or to the very rich and their acceptance of how things are,
are just but few reasons why there is poverty. Not to mention the
government's inability in irradicating poverty. No country is
immune to poverty. It happens to all countries all over the world.
>In the Philippines, I say we are really poor but poverty appears-Agree, but how do we prevent the people from moving to the big cities?
>to be concentrated in the big cities where people from the provinces
>congregate, thus, creating an increase in population which cannot
>be absorbed by the local government.
>If the department of Tourism, for example, were relocated to Cebu,-Question is, will the government be fully supportive and will endorse
>if the department of Forestry were relocated to Basilan, or if the
>department of Fisheries were relocated to, say, Palawan, wouldn't
>you think people from those places, who incidentally migrated to
>Manila, would prefer to go home and work where they would be closer
>to families and friends?
such a grand move and advocate these types of programs? These are all
excellent ideas and I think will be a win-win situation for everyone.
But then another question comes to mind, Is this really doable? I hope
so, for this will definitely prevent the exodus of people from moving
to the big cities. This will also enable the local provinces to
stimulate their own local economy, create more work for everyone,
thus generating badly needed revenues in establishing or continuing
programs and social services needed by the people. This will also
help minimize the poverty level and unemployment rate to a manageable
level. Lastly and hopefully will create a strong middle class in which
the country really lacks.
>I really don't know why everybody has to start work at 8:00 in the-Flavio, this is what's called quality time. After a hectic day at
>morning...true, some people start work at 3:00 in the afternoon,
>shift work, but those people who start work in the morning, instead
>of going home directly, they tend to hang-around malls, movie houses,
>etc., thus adding problems to the already congested areas.
work people need to unwind and these are but a few means to do it and
we cannot blame them for the congestion and traffics caused, though I
agree it is one of the major contributor. But who really is to blame?
>..and this is a reason for many of them to go to the big-I agree wholeheartedly.
>cities, in hopes of finding employment, and since there's never enough
>employment for everyone, these people, especially women, are forced to
>rersort to something else, either immorally or illegally..and we don't
>have anybody to blame except again, our government officials.
>I don't know why most Aussies discriminate..I guess it is because-Discrimination happens all over the world and not just in the
>discrimination is nature's way of liking or disliking what we see
>around us..what about us..don't we or didn't we discriminate the
>Chinese who are in the country?
Philippines. Just like what I had written in my previous posts,
my personal experience in Australia was nothing but pleasurable.
I was discriminated upon and treated indifferently. Not just me but
also the other men I was with who were of Hispanic and African
descents. Sadly, had it not been for our American citizenry, we
would've have been treated differently during the rest of our stay.
Now was I proud of that, Hell No! not one bit. I asked myself, why
did it have to be like that and why couldn't I just have been
accepted and treated as a person...as a Filipino. This situation
just didn't happen in Australia, it happened in a few other "white
dominated" countries, especially in other parts of the US and
unfortunately that is the reality of it all. This mindset and
perception of other countries towards the Filipinos and other
races has to stop.
Discrimination amongst the Filipinos are also rampant. Not only do
we discriminate against other races, but we also discriminate against
our fellow Filipinos. Again while I was stationed in other parts of
the world, the local and military communities along with "some"
Filipino families perceives young Filipina women as being "bar girls"
married to American servicemen. Sabi nila, "Nag asawa lang sila para
makaalis sa Pilipinas tapos hihiwalayan o iiwanan din nila ang mga
kano pag nakapunta na sa tate." So what! Basta makatulong lang sa
kanya at pamilya niya ay okey lang iyon, tutal wala nga naman talagang
maitulong at magawa ang gobyerno sa paghihirap at sa pagmamalasakit
nang mga pamamayan. Puro tsismis lang at walang tulungan!
>Well..whatever, I strongly believe that women who resort to-Flavio, let me share with you and everyone in this group something
>prostitution and MOB are forced by their desire to live a better
>life, where the government cannot afford to protect and sustain its
>citizens, I find this acceptable..it is immoral yet they,too, have
>the right to live..
that I had seen and witnessed with my very own eyes.
While in Turkey, a group of us went to Adana for a little sight seeing.
Of course our local guide saw us a group of lustful American
Servicemen and took us to one of the brothels there, called
"The Compound." I was astounded and shocked by what I had seen.
This place according to a police officer guarding the establishment,
is just one of the many legalized prostitution establishment
throughout the country. Kind of reminded me of the red-light
districts in Amsterdam, where women are displayed as window showcases
and displaying themselves with pricetags while the men are outside
casually milling around and shopping for bargain prices. The ages
of these women ranged from 18 (though I think they were a little
younger than 18) to someone in their late fifties. The younger they
are, the more pricey and the older they are the less pricey.
According to our guide and the guard, these women were there to pay
off debts incurred by either their family and or unpaid debts by
their husbands or had broken the law and how this type of punishments
fits their crime. I asked them to elaborate and to differentiate the
types of proper punishments per offenses but they were reluctant in
discussing governmental policies and any issues that were political
by nature. Imagine that, a government protected establishment where
women were subjugated and treated as methods of payments and as
commodities just to pay off a family debt. Not all these women where
there on their own free will, but are victims of circumstances and
their society's acceptance as being morally right.
So you see Flavio, it's just not their desire to live a better life,
it's also that they are victims of circumstances and the government's
inability to provide and care for its own people.
No reading materials were used and/or research were done and what I had
written here were all based on my personal experiences not just as an
American but as a Filipino. For no matter where I am and which countries
I go, they will always see me as a Filipino first. On numerous occasions
I had tried, sometimes successfully and at times fruitlessly, in
dispelling the mindset, the biasses, and perceptions that they have
towards Filipinos. For I see myself and other Filipinos living in
other different countries as ambassadors of the Filipino race and
heritage and I will continue to do so as long as I live.
There are questions that constantly come to mind that I keep asking
myself and in which probably shared amongst by other Filipino-Americans.
What have I actually done for the Philippines? The same answer always
comes to mind. Nothing. It is disheartening but really it is the truth.
I had really done nothing for the betterment of the Philippines.
However, awareness I think is the first step and I am now aware.
But then again, come to think of it, I actually had done something,
though not directly, but something for the Filipinos all over
the world. By simply being proud to be one, a Filipino!
From: Mike Maraya <romad101@...>
Date: Fri Oct 10, 2003 9:31am
Subject: Re: Proud to be Filipino
Thanks for your last post. Sorry I couldn't respond sooner.
Just came back from Honduras and I'm just catching up on things.
Interesting post you wrote here and I'd like to comment later
if I may.
... True ... Actually, Erap tried it before if I m not mistaken. Though we also have agriculture offices (branches) all over the country, he wanted to transferMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 17, 2003View Source--- flavio gomez <flavio91720002000@y...> wrote:
> Poverty is certainly a major cause of all theTrue
> miseries of the human race.
> From since the beginning of this republic,Actually, Erap tried it before if I'm not mistaken. Though we
> has any of the presidents ever thought of, or
> considered, decentralizing and regionalizing some
> departments, in order to minimize traffic and
> creating jobs for people from their own regions?
also have agriculture offices (branches) all over the country,
he wanted to transfer the main office in Mindanao. I don't
know what happened to that plan, but for sure we also have
agricultural and fishery research in some schools in the South.
> what about us..don't we or didn't we discriminateAs a matter of fact, Filipinos don't discriminate the
> the Chinese who are in the country?
> we always disliked the Chinese because we had
> internalized the thought that they are dirty and
> unethical when they spit everywhere and eat with
> their feet up?
Chinese, it's reverse. They act as if they owned the
Philippines while the're treating their poor maids
(mostly hired from provinces) very badly. Besides, most
of the Chinese businessmen are the number one tax evaders.
That's why they are getting rich, so what can we do about it?
Actually, those Chinese who grew up in mainland China are
down to earth, friendly and humble, as I observed with my
classmates before (unlike the Chinese in our country, in
Singapore or in Hongkong). But of course they are proud of
their culture and achievements especially in sports and
science. I admire them for that.
Check also messages#1206, #1234
I think he was referring on how we treated Chinese before they became business tycoons; Filipinos usually called them intsik back then just as the SpanishMessage 1 of 24 , Oct 19, 2003View SourceI think he was referring on how we treated Chinese before
they became business tycoons; Filipinos usually called them
"intsik" back then just as the Spanish called as "indios".
But now they're magnate, it's their turn to discriminate.
Pinoy Showbiz Industry=Intellectual Decay of Pinoy by General Madrigal Mga kababayan, Minsan ay nag-shopping ako sa isang Filipino shopping center dito saMessage 1 of 24 , Jun 29, 2004View SourcePinoy Showbiz Industry=Intellectual Decay of Pinoy
by General Madrigal
Minsan ay nag-shopping ako sa isang Filipino shopping center dito sa
tinatawag ninyong sentro ng kapitalista at imperyalista (USA) nang
makarining ako ng kakaibang musika na ganito ang tugtog: "ispageting
pataas pataas ng pataas, ispageting pababa, pababa ng pababa" at
inuulit ulit ito kahit na "ad nauseum" na.
Pinuntahan ko ang pinanggagalingan ng kakaibang musika na isang
tindahan ng mga tape at CDng Pinoy at tinanong sa tindera: "Sinong
kumakanta niyang kanta na yan?" at ang sabi niya sa akin: "Sir, ang
sex bomb dancers ho. Sikat na sikat sa aten yan." Sabi ko, "ganun
ba?" at napailing na lang.
Bumagabag ngayon sa aking kaisipan kung bakit ang isang kantang
walang kakwenta-kwenta, walang kalatoy-latoy at walang katorya-torya
ay patuloy na tinatangkilik ng mga mamamayang Pilipino.
Ganun na ba kalala ang kawalan ng talino at panlasa ng ating mga
kababayan? Bakit nila patuloy na pinabababa ang lebel ng kanilang pag-
iisip? Ito ba ay sumasalamin sa kakayahang pangsining (o kakulangan
nito) ng ating lahi?
Isa lang pong halimbawa yan ng nagiging epekto ng pananamantala ng
mga nasa industriyang "showbiz" sa murang isipan ng kabataan at
tumataginting na kamangmangan ng masa.
Kung inyong titingnan o papanoorin ang mga palabas sa telebisyon ay
makikita ninyo na ang mga palabas na tulad ng "Oki-doki-dok", "Yeah
Right Whatever" (Colonial mentality gone bad? Pampatuwa sa mga konyo
wannabes?), o "Wattamen" (Tangna anong klaseng pamagat yun? Pampatuwa
sa mga bobo?), ay makikita ninyo na ang mga "jokes" nila ay
napakababaw at estupido at nababase lang ang popularidad nito sa
pagpapakita ng susu ng mga seksing babae, pang-aapi sa
mga "pangit/bobo/may kapansanan" at pagpapacute ng mga artistang
lalaki (kung matatawag nga silang lalaki kahit para silang mga
babaeng haliparot kung umarte at mag ayos ng sarili).
At eto pa ang malala, etong mga artista na ito na walang alam kundi
magbasa ng script at gumawa ng mga pelikulang walang kakwenta-kwenta
ay mga nangangahas na maging mga opisyal ng pamahalaan. May mga nag
aambisyon pa nga maging Pangulo! Hindi sa sinasabi kong magagaling
ang nasa gobyerno pero mas lalo lang nilang paguguluhin ang sitwasyon
kung magkasama sama ang mga kurakot at mga walang alam!
Hindi ko muna siguro kailangan pahabain pa ito sa ngayon. Pero mga
kababayan, kailangan niyo lang pong silipin sa TV kung ano ang
ipinapakita sa mga kababayan natin ng industriuyang "showbiz" at
huwag na kayo magtaka kung bakit karamihan sa kababayan natin ay
saliwa mag isip at nasasayang ang utak na hindi alam kung paano
Sana po, kung gusto makatulong ng NPA sa mamamayan ay imbes na
lumaban sa pamahalaan ay ang patayin na lang nila ang mga artistang
Pilipino na sumisira sa kaisipan ng kabataan. Unahin nang todasin si
April Boy Regino at isunod yung "Mr Swabe" na yun kasama ang buong
cast ng MTB at lahat ng politikong tumakbo sa pagka artista.
Hanggang sa susunod po, bumabati.
General Juan Carlos "Johnny" Madrigal (PC Ret)
Kilusang Bagong Lipunan