-Good piece, but just to clear the air -- Orwell was not a
socialist. He was an anarchist. Some people get the idea that he
was a socialist because he fought in the Spanish Civil War in the
International Brigade which was socialist. If one reads "Homage to
Catalonia" by the man himself he explains how the anarchists, who
were small in numbers, were simply tossed in with the socialists
because the government didn't really know what to do with them. When
the Republicans (socialists) called for assistance from the USSR they
the commies)immediately began a crusade to kill all the anarchists,
which is the experience that gave good ol' Georgie the idea that you
never really know who to trust (e.g. the leaders of the farm who
preach the cause of the animals only to be indistinguishable from the
oppressive farmers; and the members of the Inner Party in 1984, who
talk all about revolution but have actually implemented a cruel
slavery). Which has nothing to do with "Passion" does it? Sorry. I
just happen to be a big fan of G.O. Your comparison of God to the
Ingsoc is kind of scary. Ingsoc's description of power is "a boot in
the face." It is disturbing to think that God put a boot in the face
of Our Savior. Ingsoc meant it as something very mean, hateful and
oppressive. Does the Church teach that God was trying to destroy
His own Son cruelly? It is difficult to understand the Lord's
Also, when you quote Orwell later in your message, I am not sure that
God's intention is to beat us into a broken condition so that we are
crushed. We should repent and turn to God, but I don't see the
similarity between a political party that wishes to utterly destroy
the human will, and God's desire to save us. By making such a
comparison it seems God is incredibly cruel and takes some pleasure
in our suffering. The Inner Party certainly enjoyed the destruction
You are right to mention that the Western churches hold somewhat to
this idea, just look at Cotton Mathers "pamphlet", Sinners in the
Hands of an Angry God. Thank you for pointing out that our Eastern
view is of a much more loving God.
-- In email@example.com
, BahCal <bahcal@d...> wrote:
> "How does a man assert power over another? By making him suffer. ..
> Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be
sure that he
> is obeying your will and not his own. ...Power is in inflicting
> Words from the book 1984 by George Orwell.
> Those who have seen Mel Gibson's film of The Passion may find these
> Who has power? God. Man must therefore suffer. The God-Man must
> show that he is being obedient to the Father. He must suffer to pay
> sins of mankind. Man must follow this example and suffer pain and
> humiliation in life, or beyond if you follow the theories of
> the Toll Houses.
> "Always we shall have the heretic here at our mercy, screaming with
> broken up, contemptible and in the end utterly penitent, saved from
> crawling to our feet of his own accord."
> This is the bitter redemptive process as seen by the Socialist
> It is nothing new to Western christianity but is alien to the Love
> Christ, which continues in Orthodoxy. It bears a striking
resemblance to the
> brutality and suffering portrayed in Mel Gibson's latest creative
> Contrast this with the song from the Old Testament sung at the
> " The three Hebrew children in the furnace
> Trampled on the flames with courage and great boldness;
> They turned fire to dew and cried out with a great voice:
> Blessed art Thou, O Lord our God,
> Unto ages of ages."
> And with the lack of descriptive suffering given in the 4 Gospel
> Also the Joy with which the Christian Saints embraced persecution
> Suffering is apparent only to the observer. The experience of
> overshadowed by the Peace of Christ. The extraordinary peace that
> The Church's persecutors and torturers witnessed was a powerful
> reality to inspire Faith and not fear. Masses were converted; Not
by fear of
> pain or a masochistic, "penitent" desire to suffer but because they
> Peace, Joy and Love of Christ.
> 21 years ago I was excitedly awaiting motherhood. I was not yet a
> Orthodoxy.Our first born son came into this world with an
> defect. At 12 days old he reposed after being Baptized in The Lord.
> husband, an Orthodox Christian, had prayed for Christ to take His
> I had prayed for a miracle of life. Both our prayers were answered!
> As a nurse, death had been a cold void that I feared. At death our
> like the sun and smiled contentedly. I converted to the Orthodox
> which I saw Life and Light.
> Friends and family had seen the suffering of loosing a son. Amidst
> suffering I had found Peace , Joy , Light, Life, and Love. Our baby
> gift from God.
> O Death, where is thy sting? O Grave, where is thy victory? Risen
> and thou art overthrown.