D R Lindberg: If you asked someone for evidence of World War II, he could
send you complete copies of the Japanese plans for attacking Pearl Harbor,
and it seems that you would still reject it all.
Kamran: Reasoning by totally false analogy noted.
Charles P: Kamran has a legitimate question and D R Lindberg provides a
link to a video, What Darwin Never Knew, which draws attention away from
the central issue. Nothing in the video explains the evolution of new body
parts from unrelated ancestors.
D R Lindberg: You seem to have a strange idea of what evidence is and what
it can show.
Kamran: Yes it appears strange to you that I expect that the evidence
should match the scope of the claim!!!!! Now if you could only explain how
breading dogs from wolves can explain the origination of body plans or the
origination of organisms, etc. Is there any other amazing thing you want
me to accept based on your evolutionary dreams?
would be a perfect opportunity for D R Lindberg to explain to all of us
here on Origins Talk how the old Theory of Evolution can have it both ways.
(1) body parts are inherited by descendants from a common ancestor because
they are RELATED. (2) body parts are inherited by descendants from a
common ancestor because they are NOT RELATED.
Charles P: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Big_and_little_dog_1.jpg
design of the body parts of chihuahuas and great danes were inherited from
a common ancestor, probably the gray wolf.
Charles P: The design of the body parts of shrews, most bats, most
cetaceans, and two unrelated bird groups were not inherited from a common
ancestor. The old Theory of Evolution should either provide empirical and
verifiable evidence for common ancestry between non-related groups or the
old Theory of Evolution should be updated to teach science students only
what is actually observed in nature.
is the biological sonar used by several animals such as shrews, most
bats, and most cetaceans. Two bird groups also employ this system for
navigating through caves, the so called cave swiftlets in the genus
Aerodramus (formerlyCollocalia) and the unrelated Oilbird Steatornis
caripensis. Echolocating animals emit calls out to the environment and
listen to the echoes of those calls that return from various objects in the
environment. They use these echoes to locate, range, and identify the
objects. Echolocation is used for navigation and for foraging (or hunting)
in various environments.
Animal echolocation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_echolocation
Evolution is mentioned 17 times without any empirical and verifiable
evidence of common ancestry between non-related groups.
D R Lindberg: When dealing with an enormous subject, one can only deal
with one part of it at a time. What do you expect from one short posting?
Kamran: I expect the short posting to have a token of relevance to the
transformations that are credited to the evolutionary story. Evolutionary
story is about something coming from nothing.
D R Lindberg: But if it makes you feel superior to attack everything, feel
Kamran: I don't attack anything. If you think evolution happens, please
provide a piece of good argument or evidence and I'll gladly review and
too. Let us resolve the unscientific parts of the old Theory of Evolution
that do not adequately explain the common design of animal echolocation.
Then, we will be able to discuss all of the other examples of common
design in non-related groups.
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