Two women standing, facing each other, at the bottom of a staircase
full of comuters rushing up and down on either side. The air between
them is "charged" with listening. One of them says:
"It wasn't a bad
dream or a good dream. It was just a dream..."
> I'll say "silence is the choicelessness of the awareness we
are" and leave it at that -- logic chopping is really wasted on
likes of me...
Speaking to define silence ...
hear what you said about it?
No one's chopping at you --
need to waste any more of your
logic defending against logic
> The subject transcends logic, but all I see Dan doing is
> at the unapproachable from multiple approaches. You are
> saying the same thing, and I think he would agree. It's
> custom to present alternative presentations that are in
> with his understanding, and as infuriating as that can be
> me, he has always been correct.
Hey, really -- I infuriated
Thanks for the compliment, I know
When you say, 'he's always been correct,'
I read that as,
"Do not pretend that you love others as yourself. Unless you
realized them as one with yourself, you cannot love them.
pretend to be what you are not, don't refuse to be what you
Your love of others is the result of Self-knowledge, not its cause.
Without Self-realization, no virtue is geniune. When you know
beyond all doubting that the same life flows through all that is and
you are that life, you will love all naturally and sponataneously.
When you realize the dept and fullness of your love of yourself,
you know that every living being and the entire universe are
included in your affection. But when you look at anything
separate from you, you cannot love it for you are afraid of it.
Alienation causes fear and fear deepens alienation. It is a
vicious circle. Only self-realization can break it.
- Nisargadatta Maharaj
"I am That"
There may be no "thing" as enlightenment, as some say, but there
quite definitely an understanding possible whereby when we
use the word, we
can know what the hell we're referring to.
My mother is not enlightened.
She's a nice person, saintly. But
she has no clue as to it's ordinary
definition, let alone it's
"more enlightened" definition, let alone, let
alone, let alone.
One very operational definition of Enlightenment, is
knows they know nothing - in an objective sense. They don't
give lip service to it, they understand at a deeply personal
that they Know Nothing. All others (who are not
"enlightened") believe they
know everything - just ask them if
you don't believe me.
Nothing, does not mean one is a blubbering idiot,
like a child with no
language or education. Hardly. Complete
understanding at this level, is
possible. That's another
definition of Enlightenment.
which are superficially in opposition - right?
Consider the operations of the mind, that
now has these two
quite workable definitions floating around, "competing"
each other. Now what is going to happen?
Is one of them
Enlightened? Are both?
Now consider my previous Question (about fighting
and instead of the typical, "irrelevant!", or "ridiculous!",
whatever causes YOUR mind to dismiss the subject entirely, try
about it further.
-------------Heidi, the Ho (there, there, calm
I am putting together a proposal for a Public Access
TV show here in
Seattle. I don't intend, at least for now, to produce
my own shows, but I
would like to begin by broadcasting videos of talks by
spiritual teachers in
the nondual tradition.
Besides needing videos, I
also need written permission from the copyright
owners of the videos.
If anyone can loan me tapes to broadcast, please
contact me. And if you
are the copyright owner, or can put me in touch with
the copyright owner,
that would also be very much appreciated.
I am facing a deadline (Feb.
27) for getting this proposal in. Thanks.