The BIG Question
> > Louis Majors wrote:
This is one place I fall out with the East
and the West, both sound
alike as they attribute creation and it's
manifestations as a fall or
I think Louis what you might
find interesting is the Buddhist theme
of interdependent origination (in
other words) one's desires could be
said to be effected or even originate
through a unique wholistic
field effect (not confined just to one's own idea
(adapted from Religion and
Nothingness, by Prof. Keiji Nishitani, translated
with an introduction by Prof.
Jan van Bragt, and with a foreword by Prof.
Winston L. King, 1982, Berkeley
All things that are in the
world are linked together, one way or the other.
Not a single thing comes
into being without some relationship to
every other thing. Scientific
intellect thinks here in terms of natural laws of
mythico-poetic imagination perceives an organic,
philosophic reason contemplates an absolute One. But on a
level, a system of circuminsession has to be seen here,
according to which,
on the field of shunyata, all things are in a process of
becoming master and
servant to one another. In this system, each thing is
itself in not being
itself, and is not itself in being itself. Its being is
illusion in its
truth and truth in its illusion.
This may sound strange the
first time one hears it, but in fact it
enables us for the first time to
conceive of a force by virtue of
which all things are gathered together and
brought into relationship with
one another, a force which, since ancient
times, has gone by the name of
To say that a thing is not itself means that, while
continuing to be
itself, it is in the home-ground of everything else.
its roots reach across into the ground of all other
things and helps to
hold them up and keep them standing. It serves as a
of their being so that they can be what they are, and
thus provides an
ingredient of their being. That a thing is itself means
that all other things, while
continuing to be themselves, are in the
home-ground of that thing;
that precisely when a thing is on its own
home-ground, everything else is
there too; that the roots of every other
thing spread across into its home-
This way that everything has of being on the home-ground of
else,without ceasing to be on its own home-ground, means that the being of
each thing is held up, kept standing, and made to be what it is by means
of the being of all other things; or, put the other way around, that each
thing holds up the being of every other thing, keeps it standing, and makes
it what it is. In a word, it means that all things 'are' in the
To imply that when a thing is 'on its own home-ground, it must
same time be on the home-ground of all other things' sounds absurd;
fact it constitutes the 'essence' of the existence of things. The
things in themselves is essentially circuminsessional. This is what
by speaking of beings as 'being that is in unison with emptiness',
and 'being on the field of emptiness'. For this circuminsessional system is
possible on the field of emptiness or shunyata.http://www.euronet.nl/~advaya/excerpts.htm#nishitani
> Self is being that likes to express or create.
> We sleep, we
wake up and move and create, it's ALL good!Colette:
The Eastern Vedic path led Maharishi Mahesh Yogi states that Being is
absolute & beyond form, but its expression includes the whole range
from absolute to relative ~ as creative intelligence or consciousness
the unified field reverberates within Itself to manifest creation. He
also describes It as Love.
Thanks for sharing this as this is exactly what I remember from my memory
Self. I must have also awakened in YOgi.
Yes like you I believe that activity is precious to creative
intelligence. Lover & Beloved. Same.
Is repeating I Am a good approach. I begin and before half the day is
over I feel well "it ain't for me." I wonder how Jerry did that for
many years.I prefer the "lazy man's approach" where even i
couldn't think of
witnessing or being aware. Is this a better
approach. But then the world
keeps saying awareness is the key. What
is this term "awareness"? Is it
witnessing and how is one to be aware?
Is there a secret to it?
> It does resolve the quetion and is my point.
> Our being has a
> A desire to be active or move.
> It is inherent in our
being and evolves into everything we are and
> experience now.
are literally inside our own being and outside our own being.
has to give the desirer the position - it's part of the
nature of our being
to be active and to be inactive, like the cycle indicated
If being has a desire, then there
is prior to being, which "composed" being with
desire. "Whatever" structured being with desire,
being" out of desire, nor as an expression
of its being (there is no
being or nonbeing "here,"
which needs to be expressed).
doesn't necessitate desire.
Movement doesn't require desire.
isn't based on desire or
lack of desire has been called
"thusness," "wei wu wei" (action of
and other names.
Yes, nature considered in terms
must have an inactive aspect as well.
isn't a division separating active from inactive,
there is "undivided
nature," which is perceived in
relative terms as active and inactive,
in which there isn't
a desirer separable, hence no "desire" to be
as such ("desire" implies one who desires, and
that is desired).
"You" and "your desires" arise
naturally from "whatever"
is beyond desire. This "whatever" has
"original nature," "the Self," "Godhead"
"emptiness" or "the unnameable."
hey, you make me sound like i was some kind of wandering
monk in India or
it doesn't take a lot of effort to pay
attention to a toothache.
you have your own toothache.
looking at the barest essence of what it is.
follow it to the fundamental
spark of energy that you are.
keep attending to it.
that is I
having considered what i said
around repeating 'I Am'
> To me, the key to this paragraph is the phrase 'wake
> that happens in any setting, whether it's the
> or at the desk, he
> could have written that paragraph.
Hello everyone, I
am glad to start my conversatoin
with all who attend non-duality salon.
I am stationed in San Diego, CA. I am in the U.S.
Navy. I have
been waiting to start this dialog for a
while. So I will begin.
agree that the key phrase in Catherine's quotation
above is, "wake up
suddenly", and also that the
paragraph above could be written after the "wake
has taken place."
For those of you who have woken up, do you fall
to sleep? I do.
I remember when I did wake up.
It was when I was
about 16 years old. I had clearity as though I
crystal ball where all information passed through me
and from every
direction. I could percieve and see
things in a way that was
ineffable. I felt like I was
a part of the whole universe and it was
alive like a living organism.
As time went on this
awareness diminished and I....
Let me see if I can get this
I fell back into my conditioned being and reasumed
identity that I lived into thus far in my life. Which
not an entirely aware being.....
I am 21 years old now and the great
feeling I had when
I became aware is not with me now. In fact I have
had it but a few times since then. Usually when being
Some times I wonder if it just because the excitement
had after the ah ha has diminished, that I think I
am not aware. I
often distinguish between those
around me who seem more conditioned than
One reason I am starting this conversation is to get
the conversation that exists today among
aware people. Why else?
For some reason I don't
think a why is required, in fact, I am here and
ever comes from that can be called what happens.
forward to hearing from anyone.