Dan Berkow (now going
> ..............aint no speculation about it. Unless
> that split
> resolved, anything that happens is just changes
> within the
> Resolving that split is waking up from the dream.
resolution can't be waking up from
the dream, because that
a someone who exists apart from the dream,
to be in
a state other than dream.
Any state, including waking up, is
in the sense of "a way of being aware" ...
and the dreamer are the same "stuff"
the unsplit reality that is
nor body, nor something else other than
So, waking up being another version of
there is only *this* -- right now ...
*This* is all
there is, ever was, ever will be.
As a dream, it is dreaming
As not-a-dream, it is not giving itself form.
formless: *this* ...
Heres a bit from the Trekcho teaching
"In Dzogchen, we do not resort to separate remedies for
separate mental afflicitions, because the only issue here is the presence or
absence of recognition. And if there is recognition, then the mental affictions
are seen as being the expression of the nature, and therefore do not themselves
pose a problem. Hence this is called the "application of one remedy which
When we are distracted from the state of the
recognition of innate wisdom, then we will not recognize thoughts as being the
uprising of innate wisdom, we will not see them as such because we are no longer
recognizing the innate wisdom.
Therefore when we are distracted from this
recognition, when we become lost in ordinary delusion, beweilderment or
confusion, thoughts become "indendendent". "Independent" here means
"unrecognized'. At that point it appears to us as though thoughts have solidity,
have an independent existence. And once you are without this recognition of
thoughts as being merely the uprising of the innate wisdom, then thoughts bind
us to samsara and actually become the cause of suffering.
Thus, in the
absence of recognition, our mind and Dharma have temporaily separated and we are
no longer keeping company with innate wisdom. At this point, we are really
no different from anyone else. If we fall from recognition back into
ordinary confusion, then we accumulate karma just like everyone else. ***At all
times and in all circumstances,*** a practitioner of Dzogchen must never depart
from this natural settling into recognition that we refer to as non-meditation".
Re: Why Nirguna Has Already Lost the War
> There is only nirguna but it is real enough
> we are in it and
Hey, Tony --
Yet who could
within Nirguna as a being
for whom it is
real enough while in it?
Do you see what I'm
If, for you, Nirguna is what is,
from whence could
come a being
If there can be, for you, a
with qualities for whom it (separation) is
in it, then, for you,
there is no Nirguna-reality, it's
an idea, another idea occurring
within what you're calling
and I would call "the sense of separation
If it's not just an idea to be used
to make a
discussion interesting, then
for you, it (Nirguna) is real (in
sense of being all), and by being real
for you, it's the
only reality there
is, or ever could be... So, for you,
there is no other, and no qualities to
you or for you or for others
you, in groups, or as
The Vndist Sadhana of
Glo & Friends,
Glo writes of Tony: "This dodge'em routine is
GETTING OLD??? I persist in believing, Glo, that
you're the most
patient and well balanced contributor to this satsangh,
For all the rest of us Tony's "dodge'em routine" is antidiluvian
itself. When Nirguna decided to flash forth("Sphuratta")in her/his
full Saguna Drag, at that exact timeless Me-ment Tony began unreeling
his primordial Nirguna argument, beginning the otherwise
proof that the Nirguna is the Saguna, etc...
Maya to some. Tony to
It's even been revealed to me in formless meditation that just as the
Witness position can be taken vis-a-vis Maya in order to re-discover
original nondual reality, one can take the Witness position in
Tony's endless Nirguna argument. Holding to a position of
attempts to bring oneself back to the original Self
Non-Annoyance. If and When this is finally achieved, one
finds that one was
never in fact born, and everything including the
self is but an illusion and
never existed (and was never Annoyed). Of
course, this sadhana, (of
achieving the Self through Non Annoyance
with Tony's Nirguna Natterings) has
so far failed to achieve
fulfillment in anyone's individual practice, and we
tempted, as Glo shows us once again, to fall back into the
of relative or Saguna Annoyance, occasionally even going so far as
be mindlessly sucked back into the illusion of an answer, quip, or
retort in order to relieve the endless samsaric pressure of Vndist
In actual fact, this is a sadhana that all of
us on this list are
performing in each moment, but only those who have
realized the Self
know it, and those who know, not surprisingly, don't say.
Until then, we practice the no-mind of Non-Annoyance in calm abidance
until the Dodge'em of Saguna reveals itself as ever present No-
yours in the bonds,
GENE DEFENDS HIS CONTROVERSIAL
REVELATION OF HQ
> > > (See attached file. If you are unable to receive
> > > see the picture in the 'Files' section of the NDS
> > Yahoo!.)
> > A striking
impression. Most notable for the fact that it is empty.
is empty, John.
On the other hand, the crew of moderators is actually in
place. Why cannot they be seen?
> > As someone who is passingly
conversant with Quality Assurance I might
> > suggest staggering the
'hookah breaks' to create a more professional
> > impression. [No
need to directly face the camera].
I leave the hookah to the caterpiller,
may he progress to butterfly, or moth, as the larval case may be.
> Is this file footage of TMI? Having hailed from PA I couldn't
No, it is actually the real/secret NDS moderation control center,
ready in fact to switch from only NDS works, to actual
world-domination/control/salvation type of work. Any day now...
> Warm regards,
> > John
Jerry, you wrote:
It is highly irregular that NDS Moderation Headquarters is shown to the
public. As opposed to just regular irregular. Regular irregular is okay.
> have lots of underwear that is regular irregular. I've tried wearing
> highly irregular underwear but I don't have three legs and two
Any underwear, or even no underwear, is OK. What is not OK is
underaware; please avoid that.
>In any case, we now need new
headquarters. And do you think this time we get a
> headquarters that
doesn't share with the Buffy The Vampire Role Playing list?
Well, it is harmless to show the HQ console area, but the secret
location has not been revealed. But even if it were,
multiPhasic Sematic Shielding would protect it from any sort of attack, be it
from disgruntled postal
workers, or hostile space-aliens, or even an attack
by rabid HotMail admin staffers.
And then there is the secret NDS High
Earth-Orbit NonDual Observation Satellite. Our super-secret UltraStealth
Cloaking Device makes it invisible to all detection instruments. It is able
to determine topicality from a range of over
200km, and selectively delete
_trolls_ using advanced PacketWhacker technology, leaving the surrounding area
the hard disk drive untouched.
Glad you asked!