If you keep a flowering branch in your heart, surely the singing bird will
come. ~Chinese Saying
What a beautiful day!! The sun is shining, the birds
the breeze blows softly in a gentle caress, and we are allowed
to enjoy the experience. to coin a phrase from "justthis", "all are
Dare I speak this way... oh what the heck... where
"I" am not blessed, but am Blessedness Itself. "I" am that
which 'you' experience as the blessedness.
Body as Gift
"Body is not your enemy nor is it in any way unfriendly or even indifferent
to you. The very existence of the body is bliss. And the moment you
take the body as a gift, a divine gift, you will come back to the body.
You will love it, you will feel it; and subtle are the ways of its
-- Osho (Rajneesh), _Meditation, the Art of Ecstasy_
All 'nonduality' seems to say is that the body doesn't
'substantially' (or anything else 'manifested') but 'depends'
whatever... Awareness, consciousness, "That," pick a term). The various
techniques such as "I am not the body" are (supposedly at least) to loosen
attachment to or 'too much identification with' the body.
It isn't so
much the body is misunderstood or denied in 'nonduality', but the 'reasons why'
the 'nondual scriptures' seem to deny the body are misunderstood. This is
for 'beginners', to 'loosen identification' only.
Osho was essentially a
'rebel', and so his focus seemed to be denying the 'ancient scriptures', but all
of it has validity, 'his view', the ancient scriptures, you name it. At
some point it all merges together (even as thought/ideas) as 'unsplit reality'
(Hi Dan! ;-).
Hi Tim -
What you say is true.
The original body has no
The splits added later, don't last.
If this is seen clearly,
nothing is split,
even as the splits added later
The teachings pro and con "the body"
(which is a
separated, conceptual body)
don't apply when the
"original body" is known as it
Dear Dan et al.,
To climb up the mountain is to climb down.
climb down the mountain is to go nowhere.
To go nowhere is to understand
there is nowhere to go.
To understand there is nowhere to go is to stop
To stop climbing down is to be at the top of the
Tree of Awakening
Why should we cherish all sentient beings?
are the roots of the tree-of-awakening.
The Bodhisattvas and the
Buddhas are the flowers and fruits.
Compassion is the water for the
- Avatamsaka Sutra
Allspirit Website: http://www.allspirit.co.uk
Wim Borsboom from
> > They arise
> > body and mind, space and
> > movement and stillness, arise
Did I write that? (I don't think so, at least not yet as
it still the 27th
Anyway someone is asking:
Why is this
so hard to comprehend?
When we finally comprehend with our hands
Our mind will have no difficulty comprehending
Before I came to Canada I was a sculptor (from when I was 18
to 27... while
I was burning my candle from two sides and in the middle as
Space and form, void and form, form and emptiness, movement and
indeed, meet each other in identical instances...
Yin is not
in any way different from yang except in the limited
representations as conceived in the deflated universe of
The potter knows the bowl inside out,
forming it in
shaping the bowl around nothing
so it may contain
I bet you Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva was a potter
we finally comprehend with our hands again,
Our mind will have no difficulty
> Hi Tim:
> How is beyond experienced?
"beyond" to point to Understanding, or "There is only X"
incomprehensible statements sometimes uttered by those foolish enough to utter
It's not an 'it', and 'it' isn't experienced (the limitations of
language already making themselves apparent)...
Only this can be said
(as a gross approximation): IT IS,
and 'everything else' is a sort of dull,
> Beyond sounds like something that is not
Oh no... "it's here." But nothing else really is
Did you know that we refer to native flute as the
sound of the soul when it sings? and the drum as the heart beat of our
Hi Gracie and michael,
feel that there is tremendous value in 'vibration' - sounds
Another lover of flutes (pan and
Without any object, no subject.
And when no subject, no object --
what dream or
non-dream is to be discussed?
No one, apart from
1. Ramana used to teach "Who am I?"
but no one asked him "who
or "to whom is the talking?".
Yes. It's a
in a dream, in which
question itself is the
2. Nisargadatta used to teach
"I am that" but no one asked
why not "I
am this" - as if
Yes. "I am that" has nothing
to which to refer.
be said "I am I" or "I-I"
or " "
3. When truly "at the end of the rope"
realization is spontaneous
so indifference and suffering have
to be an
attachment stronger than
that to love and sex.
Yes. To believe oneself capable
of being indifferent,
to believe one is suffering is
oneself in an existence
apart (generally called "to
a life ;-)
Love and sex unite, yet
is undivided needs not be
Spontaneous realization is indeed
"all this" "all
that is happening"
as there never has been a
there is no end to "this" ...
Ignotum per ignotius, obscurantum per obscurantius: "the unknown by the
more unknown, the obscure by the even more obscure"; that is to say: a situation
where the explanation of a thing is more difficult to understand than the
Of interest to some...
tip of the etheric hat to Antoine Carre...
Activity in Vacumn
Stationary at rest
I on the rotating Urth
The highest atmosphere
A shiver then
And is caught
In resonant chamber
Into peristaltic movement
Central Nervous System
At this precise moment
Is identity initiated
Touched by the
Inflamed to activity
The day begins
Seen as such
Known as such
Activity in vacuum
I have also planned, having selected a somewhat traditional burial with my
attire being full traditional regalia, with my daughter playing flute for me as
i taught her. There is much beading required, and i prefer it be
done by my own hand so that too has begun. It is said that a true regalia
is never complete, so i doubt i will have all i hope for before it is
needed, but just knowing i am somewhat prepared is enough. I
dont feel i will pollute the earth as she is our mother after all and it
is from her that we came, it is fitting that we return to her when its
time. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know?? nothing
" and what do I know?? nothing !!:-)"
That's what's so
wonderful about you. If you stick around here and still retain that
quality it will be a miracle, though.
Despite "unsplit," there's
something 'ugly' about "head knowledge." Philosophers, pundits, they go on
spouting. Even "Tim" goes on spouting too much, although in this case 'no
doer' is realized and so the words appear helplessly (and who will believe
this... see what i mean?)
The 'Beginner's Mind' quality is "Grac(i)e" and
Posted at HarshaSatsangh
Talking from a dwaitic point of view
perhaps but from an advaitic point of view this is all a dream that never
happened. There is no beginning to it but there can be an
What do you know yourself Tony,
And besides, have you ever attempted to answer the question:
" Who am I?" without words, without thoughts... but with your physical
faculties..., the full conglomerate of being.
There is no point of
view... Tony, 'no dualist', no 'non-dual' point of view. In 'viewpoints' nothing
is really viewed, nothing is really seen with your own real eyes, nothing is
pointed at or touched with your own real fingers...
Get to your senses,
Tony.... Come to your senses...
When you finally un-inhibited and fully
sense again, will you overcome the 'erroneous' idea of separation... You will
fall into oneness, you will fall in love...
Your senses are NOT in the
your per-ceptions ARE NOT in the way,
concepts are never our own...)
Senses are the only means to re-discover
and re-cognize oneness...
Senses are so lovely to enjoy in playful,
mutual and reciprocal celebration.
Why the fear... who put that in
(Btw, fear is never our own... it is instilled in
Eventually your senses will be so fine-tuned...
you will per-ceive
without any doubt at all
the epiphany of unquestioned validity of
the given, the human / divine condition,
the graces, the gifts that
we are to one-another.
All that is...
Playful, timely and spacely
of this all & one
the full subtlety of unity/diversity at once
Holding your love again within and without.
lostness in love,
when the aberrated mind does not interfere with senses
Absolute self-evidence of being.
Ah, the senses...
actually no other way, Tony... you man with a body, a tongue, fingers, skin,
lips, a heart, who eats and walks and can snap his fingers.
It is that
simple... believe your eyes, etc... believe yourself, trust me... it
Believe not your mind's eye, the speculations mirrored to you from
afar, blinding your real eyes, the mind become the mirage.
The mind is not
really that, but has become that. Whatever your mind comes up with now, whatever
understanding it seems to offer... it is in error.
There is nothing to
not even me...
Life is direct, acute, immediate....
you come to,
coming to your senses...
Is that the problem perchance?
Were you kicked out of that immediacy? Were you made to lose touch... What did
the perpetrators do to you?
Do not be held back, inside that mental
vicious circle, the mind forever on an errand.
Get out in nature bodily,
touch something, plant seeds, swim, do some art, work with clay, paint, sing,
play an instrument, belly dance...
You will eventually sing, dance and be
You will lose your separated self in intense and heightened
being.You will accept that you are Tony, with a body for starters, living on
earth in an environment that calls for love, inviting you to join (yoga) into
Play, Tony, play again.... man.
Play, the only way to
Viewpoints are only in the mind's pseudo power of
illusiveness, its ability of making things up into mental constructs...so that
reality can be escaped.
The mind is not supposed to do that, but the
traumatized person has been forced to ab-use the mind that way.
of real physical traumas that happened to you, physical situations that were
terrifying and appeared or were made to appear physically inescapable, until
your mind found a pseudo way out... escapism.
Advaita is not
The way you understand advaita is an attempt to escape
mentally. Why would you, you are doing that already...
You actually do
not know that, that is why I tell you.
Points of view are purely a mental
posturing, something we think up to get away with not having to face reality...,
look it in the face, take it in the hands, walk through it...
Here is a delightful excerpt from Catherine Ingram.
INNER DIRECTIONS JOURNAL, SPRING 1997
One day a six-year-old
friend said to me, "Pretend you are
surrounded by a thousand hungry tigers.
What would you do?" I
visualized the situation as he had suggested and,
coming up with no viable plan of action, said, "Wow, I don't know. What would
you do?" And he replied, "I'd stop pretending."
In many ways, our usual
pretending to be' somebody, to prove'
something, to aggrandize some notion of
ourselves is similar to
imagining being surrounded by a thousand hungry
tigers. It is a
condition of fright based on an illusion of our own creation.
As soon as we take ourselves to be a separate agent-a somebody-we are more or
less in competition with or trying to be protected
from-otherbodies. With the
beliefs in "I," "me," and 'mine" come
fear and craving. It's a package deal.
Waking up is the refusal to
indulge this nightmare any longer, the simple
decision to stop
pretending. Beyond that, nothing further is required. In
other words, you need not add anything. You need only to no longer entertain
thoughts and beliefs that are not true. Then this beauty that you are, your true
nature, shines through effortlessly and brilliantly.
(The entire article may be read from the website.)