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In the first hour (1:16:38, to be
exact) there are blasts of static throughout the interview. If you find the
static makes the interview hard to listen to, you may read a transcript of the
first 1:16:38 here: http://nonduality.com/enzavita.htm
You may skip to 1:16:39, where the last hour is static-free.
- 4:43 Enza's first interview. Husband Leo Drioli. Australia. Meeting Enza at SAND
. Chatting, talking about Enza's
4:43 - 17:52 Born in Italy. Going to Australia at age 17. Alice
Springs. Coming from Solarino, Sicily http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solarino
Growing up in Solarino. Feeling different growing up and having various boundary
dissolving experiences that were outside the normal thus making her feel
isolated. Several experiences described growing up and talking to different
people in order to understand them. Trying to be normal. Discovery in Alice
Springs resonating with childhood activity and being a sign she should stay in
Australia. Family dinners in Sicily.
17:52 - 24:09 Family dinners in
Solarino remembered and described. Enza being up on the roof to get away.
Stories. How much of nonduality is stories? Awareness introduced.
30:36 Continuation of the discussion on going to Australia at age 17. Not
speaking English. Dealing with her dad who didn't want to let her go. Living in
Alice Springs for two years. Reading at the library. Seeking. Trying to
understand her experiences.
30:36 - 35:54 Nature of Enza's seeking.
Moving to Adelaide. Meeting her husband Leo Drioli. Making herbal potions.
Studying naturopathy. Seeing teachers. Discovering Nisargadatta's I Am That.
Also Ramana Maharshi, Dzogchen books.
35:54 - 46:15 All the teachings
having flown through Enza, being part of Enza as guiding energy. Current
connection with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu http://www.dzogchen.it/
. Remarkable story he
tells that connects directly with Enza's childhood experience. Experience with
Zen breathing/meditation teacher that led to an opening up. More about resonance
with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu stemming from her childhood. Mystery of
46:15 - 57:29 Being meditated, significance of. Paradox of getting
from here to here. Enza learned to describe her knowing out of questions from
her husband Leo. Not having anything to teach. Waiting for the next step as a
teacher to become clear. If there were no questions she would have nothing to
57:29 - 1:01:58 Waiting for space to open to start teaching. Needing
a reason to give teaching. The breast feeding story/analogy to giving a
1:01:58 - 1:13:11 Terms consciousness and awareness discussed.
Coming from consciousness compared to standing as awareness. "I am" as
consciousness. Nature of awareness itself. "Dark radiance of pure awareness."
Nature of "I am" and how to realize. Why isn't the "I am" awareness promoted in
today's nonduality circles?
1:13:11 - 1:16:38 Suffering at the level of
relative truth and as inseparable from absolute truth. Embracing both. Practice
of presence. In teaching, starting with where a person is at.
TRACKS BELOW THERE IS NO STATIC:
1:16:39 - 1:21:08 Enza changes phone.
Chatting about coffee and karaoke. Casual chat. Enza talks about her memory not
being too good so she doesn't remember what we were talking about before she
1:21:08 - 1:27:34 The event of dropping away,
non-separation, or shift in perception, or looking and seeing that she was
everything. Everyone is already looking in this way. As a searcher or seeker you
are looking for something other than this non-separation. Spiritual people
resisting that Enza had this realization. This was seven years ago.
1:27:34 - 1:34:16 Is this realization a big deal? How the initial
realization played out for Enza. Not talking about it openly for a few years.
Role of meditation in facilitating realization. Not necessary to meditate as a
practice. Enza having an inner knowing that this lifetime was for
1:34:16 - 1:42:55 Enza feeling that a rope from within
was pulling her toward "something" and that it was inevitable. Having trust.
Nature of honoring that tug toward the inevitable. Relaxing into the spacious
knowingness or "I am."
1:42:55 - 1:48:15 Talking about awareness alone
could be boring as it is not the complete picture. Nature of the separate
person. We don't need thoughts to know the sharp lucidity. Yet the mind is used
to carry out the business of discussing awareness.
1:48:15 - 1:55:15 A
space between the words. I ask Enza if she reads any current books. She says her
memory is no longer photographic as when she was young. Things don't stick
around, even in the middle of speaking. Silence as the default stand. Her
husband Leo keeps her exteriorized. How Enza is engaged in the world. Living in
1:55:16 - 2:07:00 We talk about the Science and Nonduality
Conference (SAND) U.S.A. 2012, where we met. Enza suggests a SAND for Australia.
I talk about the group in Nova Scotia I'm involved with. Mind grasps
perspectives. The activity in satsang where the teacher tries to get people to
shift perspective toward non-separation. Enza's experience addressing her
husband's questions. Headlessness.
2:07:00 - 2:16:50 A natural approach
to self-realization compared to forcing it, yet can't dismiss the more forced
approach. The nature of being interviewed. Is anything happening? Awareness in
movement and awareness still. Ramana Maharshi on deep sleep. Enza's out of the
body experiences as a kid and energetic experiences as an adult. Enza rehearsing
as a backup singer for her husband Leo's band which is opening for the Dalai
Lama's upcoming appearance.