Non Duality Highlights Issue #1396 - Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - Editor: michael ... home.wanadoo.nl/archyklinkert/ Overview%202/Overview%202.htm ... From GeneMessage 1 of 2 , Apr 9, 2003View SourceNon Duality HighlightsIssue #1396 - Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - Editor: michael
From Gene Poole on the MeditationSocietyofAmerica list:
Offered as help, this illustration of the
imaginary hierarchy of spiritual rankings...
and the temptations of AVERSION...
lest we forget.
Remember, this hierarchy is imaginary...
Spiritual Hierarchy: Ranked from top to bottom
God (or the Ultimate Deity of your choice)
Fully Realized Beings (Saints, Masters, Gurus)
Beings Now Ascending (Successful Seekers)
Beings dedicated to correct devotion and practice
Beings of Innocence
Beings who mean well, but victimized by deceptions of others
Ordinary ignorant Beings (Average person)
Beings who indulge in non-spiritual acts
Beings who deliberately choose to ignore spiritual precepts
Beings who tempt and lure the innocent to ruin
Beings who have lost all virtue
Beings who take joy in harming others
Beings whose only purpose is to harm (Demons)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
What this imaginary hierarchy does:
It gives permissions...
To harm those, who are perceived to harm;
To feel superior, to those seen as below;
To ignore and deny, one's own harmful acts;
To justify, speaking against others;
To manipulate, (via speech and acts) others to harm a targeted person, as in 'witch trials';
To create artificial divisions, between persons and groups of persons for the purpose of giving advantages to some and denying to others;
To create from nothing, your own fear and grief, as you see yourself in some lower region of the hierarchy... or as you fear that there is a force which will bring you down and down...
The list goes on...
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Flaws in the model above, are corrected below:
Entire hierarchy is a popularized concept, and not real. It is imaginary, yet it is widely believed, because it gives permissions.
The 'believer' in the above hierarchy, gets a payback, reinforcement for belief, and this can be done very slyly. All reinforcements gained, are for purpose of nourishing the acquired identity, reinforcing it to make it 'real'.
The 'Realizer' understands that there are no 'persons', no 'Beings', and that there is only SELF BEING.
Correct practice and teaching, which may include meditation and study, is designed to ERADICATE the imaginary hierarchy, and to FREE of attachments which perpetuate the imaginary hierarchy.
SELF BEING subsumes (takes to itself) all apparent factors. Perceived 'disharmony' is always 'harmony' in SELF; our 'job' is to let go, of attachment to all perceived disharmony.
'Proof' of this concept is found in the "Tibetan Book of the dead"... in which, is revealed the schema of the 'Bardo', a realm in which our very thoughts and feelings, create the reality which we assume is real...
(The newly dead) dwellers in the Bardo are advised, to strictly avoid reacting to anything perceived, by either aversion or desire...
Modern 'seekers' and 'students' may know or understand the 'dangers of desire', but are usually completely ignorant of the dangers of aversion...
The imaginary hierarchy, gives permission to act in aversion... in 'righteousness', against those perceived to be lower, and it is this very thing, which has created the very 'hell on Earth' which we now decry...
Choose your hell, and start complaining...cursing, lynching, killing... justified by your insane belief in a spiritual hierarchy...There is no spiritual hierarchy; it is a concept of the mind, a model which should never be used to give permissions.
Help stamp out, eliminate, and abolish redundancy.
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Dr.Persinger wrote about the subject
"Persinger speculates that our left temporal lobe maintains our sense
of self. When that region is stimulated but the right stays
quiescent, the left interprets this as a sensed presence, as the self
departing the body, or of God."
But exactly how are these religious states produced? Our "sense of self"
says Persinger, "is maintained by the left hemisphere temporal cortex.
Under normal brain functioning this is matched by the corresponding
systems in the right hemisphere temporal cortex. When these two
systems becomes uncoordinated, such as during a temporal lobe seizure
or a transient event, the left hemisphere interprets the
uncoordinated activity as 'another self', or a 'sensed presence' thus
accounting for subjects' experiences of a 'presence' in the room.
Sometimes, it seems to be God, angels, demons, aliens, or ghosts.
Sometimes, one has a sense of leaving one's body, as in near-death
and in out-of-body experiences.
The Power of the God Experience "In general, the more severe the
disturbance, the more intense the God Experience. . . .
The power of the God Experience shames any known therapy. With a
single burst in the temporal lobe, people find structure and meaning
in seconds. With it comes the personal conviction of truth and the sense
of self-selection." -- Michael A. Persinger, Ph.D. Neuropsychological
Bases of God Beliefs, p.33 and 17
When the amygdala (the deep-seated region of the brain involved with
emotion) is involved in the transient events, emotional factors
significantly enhance the experience which, when connected to spiritual
themes, can be a powerful force for intense religious feelings."
However, when one has such experiences in a cold, clinical
laboratory, the psychological impact of the induced "presence"
is greatly reduced. The set and setting of the triggering experience
is of overwhelming importance for its self-interpreted context and
can even determine whether or not the experience occurs. This is
akin to the difficulty in having a primal feeling in such an
Thus, having spiritual feelings in a religious location such as in a
church, mosque or even in one's home without the helmet and without
being hooked up to laboratory equipment, could easily convince
the experiencer that he is being favored with God's presence. Having
a far less intense experience, as one lives one's day-to-day life,
can have a much more intensely persuasive effect.
This is what happened to St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila,
St. Thérèse of Lisieux and all of the Christian and other
religious mystics in and out of convents and monasteries during
periods of isolation and prayer.
Such "God experiences" when combined with unitiveness have
even resulted in the martyrdom of some Islamic clerics (e.g.,
Hallaj in the tenth century) for their claiming that they were
one with God. In the Catholic Church, Meister Eckhart's writings,
for this reason, were condemned as heretical by Pope John XXII.9
Osama bin Laden:
"I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no God but
Allah and his prophet Muhammad."
-- Osama bin Laden - in the Dec. 21,2001 video about the WTC terrorist
attack "Not surprisingly, their...behaviors and psychological
experiences are predominated by a sense of personal destiny, the
most supreme form of infantile egoism.
Each one has been selected to give a message to the world. Like the
committed preacher or the proselytizing prophet, they have
a sense of the special - their experiences are somehow exceptional."
-- Dr. Michael A. Persinger, Neuropsychological Bases of God
Beliefs, p. 20
"The notion of God is not only there to quell our Pains but to fulfill
our key, unfulfilled needs (to be listened to, protected, watched
over, loved, etc.). It is the notion that begins to produce the
endorphines that literally answer our prayers for surcease. The idea
of God is the real power, yet we imagine that the relief is the
workings of a deity. We ourselves bring on the relief by fiats of
faith and hope.
Those two psychological factors arise out of Pain and suppress it.
The power is inside of us; positive belief has the power to tranquilize
"In spite of these two radically opposing viewpoints concerning
spirituality, could Persinger's technique be used to supplement or
expedite the therapeutic efficiency of different forms of regressive psychotherapies?
What would be the effect of having regression therapy sessions under
the stimulus of electro-magnetic energy fields? Of the two
psychotherapies, Grof's holotropic breathwork, at least theoretically,
would seem better
From Pete on the AdvaitatoZen list:A Zen detective investigates Being
“I know I exist, but when I look into this existence, I can’t pinpoint exactly
the core of my identity.”
“How do you know you exist?” The Zen detective asked.
“I think, therefore, I am.”
“Ah, yes, Descartes famous dictum. Do you consider it true?” He said with a
“Thinking is just comparing information. Computers do that, don’t they? But
they are not conscious of this process? So, what you really mean is that you
are conscious of your thoughts, so therefore, you can pose a question regarding
your existence. Consciousness, rather than thinking, is the proof of existence.
But can we really extend this proof to an “I” different from this awareness?”
“I think we could.”
“I’m not so sure. Let’s look into it. When you say, “I am aware” you are
posing an entity that is conscious of awareness. By saying this, you are
claiming, two awareness simultaneously conscious of each other, when in
reality, there is only awareness of a memory. The ‘I’ is a very intricate
mental contraction resembling a spider web knitted by memory. It’s a magical
spider web and anything it traps becomes a memory. It’s this magical spider web
reflecting the light of awareness, which gives the illusion of
self-consciousness. When we say we are aware, it’s only awareness trying to
catch itself in the act of being aware. Awareness chasing its own tale gives
birth to the ‘I feeling’, and to that peculiar activity called spiritual
search. In trying to unearth the core of the self, you will only expose endless
layers of thoughts, and memories.”
“So must I give up the search for my true self?”
The detective laughed, “ There is no ‘I’ to give up anything, when awareness
stops chasing itself, then endless luminous openness is there. This openness
can neither be defined nor possessed. It just is.”
Issue #1397 - Tuesday April 8, 2003 - Editor: Jerry ... Jody NDS It became clear to me that enlightened people are as fallible as anyone. They are expandedMessage 2 of 2 , Apr 9, 2003View SourceIssue #1397 - Tuesday April 8, 2003 - Editor: Jerry
JodyNDS"It became clear to me that enlightened people are as fallible as anyone. They are expanded human beings, not perfect human beings, and they live and breathe with many of the same faults and vulnerabilities we ordinary humans must endure. "--OshoMatthew FilesNDSA man of peace is not a pacifist . . .
A man of peace is
simply a pool of silence . . .
He pulsates a new kind of energy into
the world . . . he sings a new song.
He lives in a totally new way . . .
His very way of life is that of grace . . .
that of prayer . . . that of compassion.
Whomsoever he touches . . . he creates more love.
The man of peace is creative. He is not against war . . .
because to be against anything is to be at war. He is
not against war . . . he simply understands why war exists.
And out of that understanding he becomes peaceful . . .
Only when there are many people who are pools of
peace . . . silence . . . understanding . . .
will the war disappear . . .
OSHO Zen: The Path of Paradox Vol. II ***
David Godman's new website:
Shankar's web page is now up to date:
KailasaNDSHello Friends, Just looking for like-minded souls.
I am directly experiencing my life, emotions, habits, and the pain of
my own self-betrayals more and more. With the support of this love.
Such Beauty. Even in the pain. I pray for more willingness for my
heart to open all the way. Thanks, Kailasa
This We Have Now
This we have now
is not imagination.
This is not
grief or joy.
Not a judging state,
or an elation,
This is the presence
It's dawn, Husam,
here in the splendor of coral,
inside the friend, the simple truth
of what Hallaj said.
What else could human beings want?
When grapes turn to wine,
When the nightsky pours by,
it's really a crowd of beggars,
and they all want some of this!
that we are now
created the body, cell by cell,
like bees building a honeycomb.
The human body and the universe
grew from this, not this
from the universe and the human body.
J.P. PoffandiNDSBaghdad - 08 April 2003
"We have won the war", stated Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed
Saeed al-Sahaf in an impromptu news conference held early Tuesday
"We have beaten their stupid bombs and missiles with our palaces and
government buildings. The unholy mercenaries are running away into
the desert, flapping their arms like fightened drag-queens.
We have pulverized their cheap toy tanks with the bare hands of our
brave martyrs. The old, rusty helicopters they sent to annoy us were
pesky flies that we swattted and squashed with rolled Oprah
magazines. We have captured 263,000 American, British, Australian
and Polish mercenaries but we are treating them very well -
exceeding all Geneva Covention minimal requirements - with full
access to the tastiest low-fat beef shish-kabobs and our best
bellydancers. Their divisions have been utterly destroyed and driven
into the sea to drown with their evil dolphins and satanic sea
The foreign jackals never even came close to Baghdad. Saddam and his
glorious sons are driving right now through the city in captured
Hummers with expensive stereos blaring our national anthem - to the
cheers of his beloved flower and rice throwing people who adore
him. Our brave hero they scorn as 'Chemical Ali' is alive and well
and he is planning to send aerosol cans of "special hair-growing
mousse" to Chemical Ari.
This morning, Washington has been pulverized into looking like
Afghanistan by our Cessna loaded with - believe me - a very powerful
really big exploding molotov coktail thing. The son of Bush did not
suvive. He could not hide in his Pennsylvania Avenue bunker when our
bunker busting dromadaires drilled through the cheap mortar and wood
of his fancy pants castle.
We warned them not to come here and invade our country, didn't we?
But did they listen? Nooooooo they didn't!
Nah-nah-nah-nah, nah-nah-nah-nah, hey-hey, goo-ood-bye!"
David BozziNDSThe soap-opera of nationalismI really love
how the President,
(the one without most of the votes)
that Darth Vader wannabe
who pre-emptively attacks
his true feelings
before the camera eyes
...for once they did not lie
this president possessed
like a boy entangled
in his professional wrestling fantasy
with both his hands
for all the world to his
surrounding empty space
where in his mind
he fetishes his inner demon's throat...
If that don't get me hooked
on the soap-opera of nationalism
well I'll be darned...
INTRODUCTION INTO THE CHHANDOGYA UPANISHAD
OM. May Brahman protect us both !
May Brahman bestow upon us both the fruit of Knowledge !
May we both obtain the energy to acquire Knowledge !
May what we both study reveal the Truth !
May we cherish no ill-feeling toward each other !
Om. Peace ! Peace ! Peace !
The Brihadaranyaka and the Chhandogya Upanishads are the two longest Upanishads and occupy a superior position among the Upanishads.
Both of these Upanishads form the basis for later development of Vedantic teachings.
There are 8 parts to the Chhandogya Upanishad which are divided into
The first section has 5 parts which deal with upasana, ritualistic worship, and meditation.
The second section has 3 parts which discuss fundamental doctrines of Vedantic philosophy.
The sixth part is the of the vedantic dictum--Tattvamasi--That Thou Art
The seventh part is the doctrine of Bhuma, Infinity
The eighth part concerns itself with the Doctrine of Atman.
Sri Sankaracharya drew his teachings from Upanishadic statements such as:
"One only without a second" in His non-dualism philosophy.
The Vedas have two sections :
1. Dealing with karma and ritualistic worship, for those seeking happiness on earth and in heaven.
2. Is about jnana and the Knowledge of Brahman for those seeking Immortality.
The Vedic theory is to slowly and methodically take minds away from the sensate world and lead them to the loftiest ideal--Brahman. Therefore, the Upanishad will begin with the five parts of the first section :
Upasana, ritualistic worship, and meditation.
(From Swami Nikhilananda's THE UPANISHADS. Chhandogya Upanishad in Book Four)
SRI SANKARACHARYA'S INTRODUCTION
Om. Salutations to the Supreme Self.
The Chhandogya Upanishad, consisting of eight chapters, commences with the words : "The syllable Om." We begin this short treatise, containing a simple explanation of the book, for those who wish to know, in brief, the import.
to be continued..
Sri Sankaracharya will say :"When work is performed with a knowledge of such deities as the prana and agni, it enables the agent to attain Saguna Brahman."
If the study of and the means for attaining Brahman is of interest, you would enjoy Sri Sankaracharya's group:
Matthew and GeneNDSMatthew:At NDS a lot of talk is given to the idea, or truth, depending how
you look at it, that there is really no 'doer'and that what we call
life, is the natural arising of phenomena. Why does this not seem to
be the case when war is talked about? Why is war not talked about as
the natural arising of phenomena? Why is it seen as seperate from the
whole? As something that should not be? Why are those in positions of
political and economic power, who are for the war, seen as 'doers',
even creators of the war. How can Bush be wrong or bad if in truth
there is no 'doer'? How can war be the wrong path if all paths lead
to the same end?Gene:
Your concerns are noted.
If you are asking 'why', the answers
are not available without such as this:
The questions you ask are good leads,
but in themselves, incomplete.
If one does not know, and wants to
know, the information available thru
the link will start the actual questioning