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Issue #1033 Saturday, April 6, 2002
Today's Highlights Compiled, Edited, and Designed
by John M.
Heidi, just two thoughts: i often quote, in the few places i post,
because of the beauty or the clarity of the material.
That's what everybody says. Afterall, other people said they
were GREAT teachers or spiritual masters or whatever,
so whatEVER they said must be worthy of repeating. But,
that's the "reasonable reason", and it makes sense.
"Sense-making" is the opposite of "New thinking" or
"Original thinking". Well, it's not really opposite, it's perpendicular,
it's non-polarized, it HAS no yes and no. It stands on it's own. No one,
even you, can "argue" with it, because it's TOO NEW - you've never
HEARD that before, how could you possibly argue, you don't really
even understand it; yet, there it is! Well, more precisely, you DO under
stand it, as in stand under it. You're only seeing the bottom flooring of
a level of awareness that you've heretofore onlysuspected (by virtue of
all that reading and quoting and reading and
quoting), but perhaps never experienced in yourself for yourself.
What you write below is very timely for me. There is a plethora
of POV's, obviously, available. It is perhaps time to stop and smell
the coffee within.
Well, of all the places I've commented upon plagiarizing (quoting others,
with or without attribution), you're one of VERY FEW who've
apparently agreed to some extent. But plagiarizing (and let's not be coy,
that's what it is - I don't care whether you sign THEIR name to
it, or forget to, you didn't write it - right? So, it's a form of plagiarizing.)
is simply the first level of a multiple-level cloud-layer which obscures
People speak with others' voices. They think they're speaking with their
own - will fight to the death believing such - but if they
COULD observe the movement of energy through their own brain,
they'd quickly realize they're speaking with others' voices. ESPECIALLY
when quoting others.
Why do people do it? Because, when their "hero's" words are circulating
through their own intellect, for that short time, they experience a
momentary "contact-high". They feel AS SMART as their hero, if
only for that moment - though a little buzz often remains for a minute
or so. Plus, if they're sharing the quote with others,
they feel GOOD for having done this "good service to others."
It's a sham and a waste of energy and you lose much more than you
hope to gain. Either you instantly SEE that, or you instantly ARGUE.
Observe. You'll see what I mean.
The only mental effort which returns MORE than it expends,
is "thinking beyond limits". Ordinary thinking (reading, watching
tv,talking, muttering, figuring, planning, daydreaming, imagination,
composing emails, etc.) wastes energy and returns nothing fresh.
Thinking beyond your own limitations (taking a subject you're
interested in, and considering it fully, NOT from what someone
else has said, but from your own experience and understanding,
for no particular purpose other than to exercise the muscle in a
new way), has the possibility of catapulting you above the noise
of your own inner chattering, and conjecturing, and commenting,
so that you can SEE the subject in a new way - learn something new.
The only purpose of having a brain and consciousness, beyond keeping
you alive (sex, shelter, sustenance) is to investigate the world in
which you live. Not to read what other people think what's going on -
rather, to tell the world what YOU THINK!
Most, if not everyone, will disagree with all of this.
Do I care. Hell no. Let them eat non-duality.
Hello Heidi, Enjoyed reading thru your post
explaining your preference for fresh food which you yourself have
prepared. Fresh fruit .....dried fruit. Its ok to be a fussy eater, but
why make a metaphysics out of it?
As one who's lambasted others for sinking to the
lowest form of energy known to mind - quoting others...
Having lurked here again for a little while, I can't
help but respond in this dialogue.
If anyone thinks quoting is 'the lowest form of energy
known to mind', he/she must not get out much.
If you are saying this is one of your pet peeves,
My question is, what makes you think words from you
are any fresher than words from another? Once said,
everything said is from the past. Moreover, there truly
is only One Self, expressing in a mad variety of ways.
The point is not who said which, but what effect it
has in This Moment to open where ego/mind has closed,
to dissolve the false identity, to deepen and expand
pure aware beingness in this apparent individual.
GeneWhile I do not strive to conceal passion
when I feel it, Neither do I use it as a flail
with which to flog the feckless, fomenting
a frothing yet fetid fervor of fashionably
feverish forthrightness, if not fanaticism.
And hopefully, not fascism.
No, HighDee is not my 'sock puppet'; I do
not have a hand in Hir doings.
Ensconced as I am in the Ultra High-Tech
NDS Moderation Headquarters, my attention
is drawn to examine the Emoto-Meter, installed
to sample the packets which eventually splatter
all over your screen as the creation of the Sacred
Ever mutating, the Holy Precepts of NDS must
of necessity, include both ritual and LITERAL
episodes of De-Divinitizing, as well as Gut-Wrenchings
and Cerebrum-Poppings. These events, which
both never and always occur, form the Sacred Seed
Of NDS, from which spring forth a most ineffable
(and plain Ef-able) shower of Witless Whizdumb ,
to astound and confound the masses of
shuffling, somnambulistic "Zombies for Jerry".
Nonetheless, is wrought from this writhing and sometimes
withering wilderness of writings, a compendium
of compelling if not cunning conundrums, cagily
crafted to compassionately cudgel, if not coax,
the throbbing cerebellum of the reader-cum-
Onward and Upward, and devil take the hindmost!
LisaI thought it had all been said before anyway...wish I could remember
who said that?! Do you really think there are any original ideas out
there? Maybe just one thought that has not been "thunk"? Who cares,
what a wonderful dream...think a thought that has yet to be
conceived...it could happen---not?
Gary MerrillCould well be the one that is being quoted, was in fact quoting
someone else, who was quoting someone else....
Where is that 'original man' does he exist?
Call him Adam or God maybe?
Sorry Goddess :-)
Lots of original repeats are now showing :-)
Quoting is Shakespearean from 'coat'. I am coated by quotes.
Also meaning to give evidence, one might see for instance that legally
one could quote the bible as a guide to what was right or wrong. There
being lots of bibles of course (non-dual ones maybe). Its called going
by the book. Quotation mark, is to mark the place in the book, chapter
"I rest my case"
HarveyI believe I understand your idea that the subtle realms are unreal
just as the physical realms are unreal. One can agree that "Its all
the dream of Maya," while keeping an open mind as to whether certain
mayic experiences may allow us to see more clearly through the
illusion than we otherwise could. An example from music may be
relevant: someone with a trained ear may be able to hear more
sensitively after his training than before.
But what we're striving to hear is a sound that has never left
us. It's ringing in our ears right now. It's not about training
ourselves to hear it as much as waiting for Maya to get out of
the way of us noticing it.
What you are calling "certain Mayic experiences" can perhaps
help some to see more clearly. However, it depends on how
the experiences are employed. The same experiences can also
lead to more mystification under different circumstances with
I guess my point is that which reveals and that which obscures
is different for us all. Advaita says throw it all away,
because in the end you don't need any of it, as that which
you seek is what you already are. There's nowhere to go and
nothing to do except stop and notice. If at first you don't
notice, keep trying. It's right there in our own front pocket,
from which it never moves. You can be assured that you are
always in the presence of your own pure being as yourself,
despite the fact that you haven't quite seen yourself that
Christiana Duranczyknow.. sitting amidst the felt-observation of grief patterns,heart listening to reverberations - contractions and clear intervals,sudden death of a second partner in six months.half a year witnessing the empty-full half-whole of partnership.~ The first partner offered the dharmic grace of transmission and disappearance,the potential of two faces turned as one,also the human patterning which circumvents this turning,the duality of grace and sobriety of relationship.his death left a pall of greynessoccluding direction and the heart for living.a stripping of ideas and ideals- standing nowhereno bliss in this flatlanded absence of duality,no false high mountains either...just showing up in open emptiness.~~ The second partner, manager and dear friend,a year of co-leading a huge venture,jointly inheriting two disparate departments in chaos,charged to make them seamlessly one.our styles, the departments, a manifestation in opposites.yet the miracle of meeting in synergetic pulse,shared vision of wholeness always arising.The heart of the mind. The mind of the heart.his death calls and empowers,lifting a bit the pall of greyness,tuning the ear to the pulsating heart,allowing the interval to direct the mind,The dharma of just showing up,in empty openness with new understanding,the heart of living,the silent ground of one.A tear, a smile,recognized manifestation...so many apparent levelsof this duality/nonduality motif.