From: Bobby Valentine Date: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:03 pm Subject: Galileo and Dr. John Morris WeightAgeGenderFemale MaleDec 1 4:03 PM 1 of 3View SourceFrom: Bobby Valentine <restorationscholar@s...>
Date: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:03 pm
Subject: Galileo and Dr. John Morris
Greetings OpenBibleSudiers . . . I pray all have had a blessed
have had a wonderful one. A lite snow, mid-20s, and turkey go well
have been able to take two days off this week and that was GREAT!! I
reading a horrible book by M.W. Burke-Gaffney of the Jesuits on "Kepler
Jesuits." The only reason I finished reading the book was because it was
What prompts this particular post was a short program I watched just a
moments ago. It was on the "christian" channel and featured Dr. John
assume of the Morris and Whitcomb combination). He was attempting to
the fallacy of evolutionary interpretation of the fossil record and in
course he made a statement that sounded just like a statement made in
Galileo controversy. He said that we should do our science in
the word of God and interpret our conclusions in light of the word of
I for one have no problem with the above statement . . . if I get to
the word of God says about science. But Father Caccini in his sermon
Galileo (December 21, 1614) and in his letter to Cardinal Paolo
of the Inquisitors-General) accuses Galileo of doing his astronomy
regard to the Bible and when he did consider the Bible he "asserts that
words of Holy Scripture do not mean what they seem to mean; and that in
discussion of natural phenomena the authority of scripture should rank
last . .
." He further argues that science must be in accord with scripture.
Well, for any that has actually read Galileo's "Letter to the Grand
Christina Concerning the Use of Biblical Quotations in Matters of
(easily available in Stillman Drake, "Discoveries and Opinions of
that Galileo gave the matter of biblical interpretation a great deal of
What amazes me is the fundamental perspective of Morris sounded very
the conservative Aristotlean theologians who condemned not only Galileo
Kepler's astronomy as well.
So here is my question: How does the Creation Research Society approach
Has Morris or anyone else in that train of thought written
... This is a good question. It so happens that the moderator of this list is well-acquainted with the Editor of the Creation Research Society Quarterly andDec 3 4:49 AM 1 of 3View Source--- Bobby Valentine wrote:
> How does the Creation Research Society approachThis is a good question. It so happens that the moderator
> the Galileo affair?
of this list is well-acquainted with the Editor of the Creation
Research Society Quarterly and also the editor's wife! Perhaps
Robert will call CRSQ and get their position on this.
... That would probably be a good suggestion under normal circumstances! However, we have discovered, have we not, that the Creation Research Society QuarterlyDec 3 5:06 AM 1 of 3View Source--- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com, "mathewmaury"
<sqi7o0hh02@s...> wrote, in part:
> It so happens that the moderator of this list isThat would probably be a good suggestion under normal circumstances!
> well-acquainted with the Editor of the Creation
> Research Society Quarterly and also the editor's
> wife! Perhaps Robert will call CRSQ and get their
> position on this.
However, we have discovered, have we not, that the Creation Research
Society Quarterly and its principals do not operate under normal
You may recall my former admonishon from the current chief executive,
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maury_and_Baty/message/265Eugene Chaffin, Ph.D. is the former editor (he's since been promoted)
> Do not harass our volunteer workers Glen Wolfrom or
> Eugene Chaffin.
that I worked so closely with, and it was his wife with whom I had
Eugene is the one who actually produced that letter that Bert was
tricked into believing was my production, after which Bert publicized
his claim that he thought the letter was a "feeble attempt" as if it
really were my production instead of something Eugene Chaffin, a
fellow Ph.D. of Bert's, produced.
As to Bobby's inquiry, on another list I did recommend he do a quick
search of Bert's website at http://www.apologeticspress.org. There
you can find a number of articles referencing Galileo. Probably some
relevant stuff there.