What is ironic is that, actually, most creationists - in the general sense (i.e., most Christians, who are not young earth creationists) - have, ever since theMessage 1 of 7 , Apr 1, 2011View SourceWhat is ironic is that, actually, most creationists - in the general sense (i.e., most Christians, who are not young earth creationists) - have, ever since the Big Bang model was first widely reported on (back in, I think, the early 1950s), widely embraced the concept as scientific confirmation of Genesis 1:1.
Have you seen any young earth creationists talking up what Jacob Barnett is working on? I haven't noticed that anywhere yet.
- Todd Greene
--- In Maury_and_Baty, Robert Baty wrote (post #22816):
> I would tend to agree with your analysis.
> I could be wrong, but I have seen nothing accept the apparently unfounded hope that the kid's work might falsify the Big Bang and, ipse dixit, do something for the creationist cause.
> I am hardly informed on the kid, his family, background and prospects, but I have noticed no indication that he will, in the future, be inclined towards "preaching" and promoting his religious ideas as opposed to sticking with his scientific prospects for the future.
> Things could change, and I will accept whatever course he may eventually take.
> Will he eventually be put upon to become a darling of some religious persuasion?
> Will he forsake whatever religious scruples he and his family now maintain?
> Anyone know anything about his/his family's religious background? I haven't noticed any discussion thereof and how it figures into his becoming a celebrity?
> Robert Baty
> --- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Greene" <greeneto@> wrote:
> Actually, Jacob Barnett would be the opposite of any supposed hope for YEC. (But
> have any young earth creationists been touting this?)
> The point to bear in mind in regard to the idea that Barnett is coming up with a
> "refutation of the Big Bang Theory" is that Barnett is certainly not the first
> one to have been working on such a thing. And when a journalist uses phrases
> like "refutation of the Big Bang Theory" you can make a good bet that they're
> engaging in dramatic license with the language.
> For example, there is "loop quantum gravity" and the "epkyrotic universe model",
> which various theoretical physicists have been working on for years - neither of
> which has anything whatsoever to do with supporting the notion of young earth
> creationism in any way.
> This article
> refers to Barnett working on an "expanded version of Einstein's theory of
> relativity". More power to him. I seriously hope he gets somewhere with the
> Note that loop quantum gravity is specifically an expanded version of Einstein's
> theory of relativity, too. (Indeed, see how one of the leading researchers on
> loop quantum gravity, Abhay Ashtekar, describes what they're doing, with respect
> to Einstein's theory of relativity, in what I've quoted below.)
> Unfortunately, nothing I've read about Barnett gives any specifics as to what
> he's working on, so from the brief mentions it's impossible to tell what
> direction (in theoretical physics) he is taking with his ideas.
> From what I've read, this kid's intellect is amazing. I'd love to meet him.
> - Todd Greene
> Before the Big Bang
> by Michael D. Lemonick
> (Discover, Feb. 2004)
> [About the epkyrotic universe model.]
> Space and Time: Einstein and Beyond
> by Abhay Ashtekar
> (Penn State University, Eberly College of Science, Science Journal, Summer 2005)
> | At the Big Bang and black-hole singularities, the world of
> | the very large and of the very small meet. Therefore,
> | although they seem arcane notions at first, these
> | singularities are our gates to go beyond General
> | Relativity. Real physics cannot stop there. Rather,
> | General Relativity fails. We need to dramatically revise,
> | once again, our notions of space and time. We need a new
> | syntax.
> | Over the last decade, researchers at the Institute of
> | Gravitational Physics and Geometry at Penn State have
> | played a lead role in creating such a syntax which, for
> | historical reasons, goes under the name Loop Quantum
> | Gravity.
> --- In Maury_and_Baty, Robert Baty wrote:
> > I'm not buying it, but it will be interesting to see what the kid turns out to
> do with regard to changing the course of world, scientific history...if
> > ---------------------Forwarded Article-----------------------
> > New American
> > Boy Genius Sets Out to Disprove Big Bang Theory | Print | E-mail
> > Written by Raven Clabough
> > Monday, 28 March 2011
> > (excerpts)
> > Twelve-year old boy genius Jacob Barnett has already acquired boasting rights.
> He is already in college and possesses an IQ that is higher than Albert
> Einstein's. He is currently working on an expanded version of Einstein's theory
> of relativity.
> > As if any of that's not enough, Jacob has announced his intent to disprove the
> Big Bang theory.
> > Christians worldwide should applaud Jacob's intent to disprove one of the many
> theories put forth by atheists to explain away the Biblical creation.
> > According to astronomer Paul Steidl,
> > > "The big bang was invented specifically
> > > for the purpose of doing away with the
> > > creation event. An astronomer would
> > > laugh at the naivety of anyone who chose
> > > to equate the two events."
> > Similarly, evolutionist Paul Davies asserts that the Big Bang Theory
> > > "differs greatly in detail from
> > > the biblical version."
> > He contends,
> > > "What one cannot say is, first, that
> > > the Christian doctrine of creation
> > > `supports' the Big Bang model, or
> > > second, that the Big Bang model
> > > `supports' the doctrine of creation."
> > Therefore Jacob's refutation of the Big Bang Theory may help to put creation
> into perspective for many non-believers.
> > Jacob's young overworked mind is both a blessing and a burden, as he is often
> kept awake by numbers in his head. Diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, a mild
> form of autism, Jacob did not speak until two years of age.
> > Professor Scott Tremaine explains,
> > > "I'm impressed by his interest in physics
> > > and the amount that he has learned so far.
> > > The theory that he's working on involves
> > > several of the toughest problems in
> > > astrophysics and theoretical physics."
> > Tremaine adds,
> > > "Anyone who solves these will be in
> > > line for a Nobel Prize."
> > -------------------------------------
> > -------------------------------------
... Nope! Only what has already been referenced here which, I think, I indicated was a little hype . Sincerely, Robert BatyMessage 1 of 7 , Apr 1, 2011View Source--- In Maury_and_Baty@yahoogroups.com, "Todd Greene" <greeneto@...> wrote:
> Have you seen any young earthNope!
> creationists talking up what
> Jacob Barnett is working on?
> I haven't noticed that anywhere yet.
Only what has already been referenced here which, I think, I indicated was a little "hype".