As I see it, this board is a good resource for "map reading"...
Having all started from approximately the same location, I am
looking for interpretitations on:
"How to get from hither to yon."
If I thought that "yon" was not where I wanted to go, I wouldn't be
--- In LutheransLookingEast@yahoogroups.com
, Christopher Orr
> No need to cease and desist. It's just that you have on your
> which is not wrong or bad, it's just that this list isn't about
> Noting that not some but not all Lutherans teach x, it is possible
> to then ask a question regarding something related. You could
> note the diversity of opinions within Lutheranism so that it isn't
> to be monolithic. Standing up for the fact that "Lutheranism
teaches y" as
> if there is no difference of opinion or practice is getting into
> over what is the real Lutheranism. That's not proper ground for
> Orthodox or this list.
> A positive example of a clarification was when you noted that
> Lutherans teach that the saints pray for us (a surprise to some
> which led to me pulling out of my post all the patristic passages
> with their clear invocation of the saints, as distinct from merely
> witnessing to the saints intercession on our behalf. This was
> clarifying the Orthodox position vis a vis the differing Lutheran
> these related topics.
> An example of a question you could have asked was this:
> While it is perhaps OK to ask the saints to "pray for us" -- since
> > that anyway -- how is PETITIONING them for aid (other than
> > prayers) not idolatrous?
> That is a different thing than this:
> "What *may* be idolatrous is that we pray to them. Perhaps it is
OK to ask
> > them to "pray for us" -- since they do that anyway. But, the
concern is in
> > praying to saints PETITIONING them for aid (other than their
> > prayers)."
> That is a statement of Lutheran belief and concern, not a question
> Orthodoxy. It is this difference I am trying to maintain on this
> Critiquing or criticizing Lutheranism is something I do not care