> I would very much like to hear a discussion
> on what 'forgiveness of sins' means to the
> Orthodox outside of a penal substituion or
> forensic substitution model.
ISTM it means a cancellation of the debt, rather than a vicarious collecting of it. It means there IS true forgiveness, rather than displaced punishment.
While I fully agree that Christ was punished *in effect*, yet punishment was neither the *cause* nor the *purpose* for which He suffered and died. Punishment was one of the numerous effects of the Passion but not the reasoning behind what happened.
(Sin itself already has its own proper punishment built right in.)
Personally, I believe this is the biggest difference between the Lutheran and Orthodox outlooks on this subject.