Rys, your journey is educating us all. Again thank you for sharing this knowledge. Warmest regards, Lenarda, Australia From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.comMessage 1 of 11 , Feb 19View Source
Rys, your journey is educating us all.
Again thank you for sharing this knowledge.
My son's curriculum includes WW2, but very focused on Nazi Germany. They have to write a project of how the war affected their family but it very much a "was your granddad evacuated in the war".
When I told his History teacher of the ethnic cleansing done to my family along with "one or two others", the teacher was very interested.
Of course he'd heard of Katyn but wasn't aware of the mass deportation of people into Siberia and how they were eventually freed. So it will be an interesting and well documented history.
On the question of record searches. I've been nagged for many years by my Belarussian cousins to come to them and do the research locally. That's all well and good if you know where you are looking and what you are looking for. Had I gone even only a year ago, I would have searched in the wrong villages, gone to the wrong archives and come back none the wiser thinking "ah well the records must have been destroyed".
The fact is that everything is out there, but it isn't organised logically. Not only did borders of countries change, but the old wojowodships changed. So, as in my case, I would have gone to Oszmiana to find records, to find there is nothing there. I'd have gone to the church in Daukszyszki to look for my great granddad to find he's not buried there. And now I understand how the system works there, I am a little more prepared.
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Lenarda Szymczak" wrote:
> Rys, there is so much information written in your words that will assist
> other members and I am certain that they will be glued to your words, as I
> am, with the paths shown that we have to travel to research and get correct
> records. Thank you so much for all this as every personal story is learning
> and a path for others in the KS Group.
> From the horrors of our own history, we can and do assist other members,
> still searching and give them hope and healing, letting them know, that they
> are not alone.
> Also about the teacher in your son's school, this is wonderful news, as so
> many people do not know and slowly they are opening their eyes and will only
> do this through research by groups such as us and the history being brought
> to their attention.
> Your son will be the first grain of sand for his school and in years to
> come, it will be on the curriculum to learn about how Stalin affected
> families before, during and after the war. my own daughter did Stalin,
> Eastern Borderlands, in year 12, under the heading of Communism with her
> adding a personal touch of her own family of her Grandmother Helena, from
> Zhitomierz Oblast and Kolkhoz under Soviets 1921 onwards and German Slave
> Worker 1942 and her Grandfather Jozef, from Warsaw, 8th Pulk Kawaleria
> Kanonier, captured by Germans during the 1st defence of Poland in 1939.
> Warmest regards,
> Lenarda, Sydney, Australia
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of ryszardsys
> Sent: Monday, 18 February, 2013 11:37 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Ankieta of my dziadek Stanislaw Sys
> aboout his time in prison in USSR
> My dad always had his birth date as 15th January 1933, but he always said
> that his mum couldn't remember exactly because she made him one year younger
> in Siberia, he thinks, to get a milk ration. I actually think that happened
> in Tehran to be honest. She also said she was mixed up with the dates with
> his sister, my aunt, who got left behind.
> I had transcribed the residents of wojewodstwo wilenskie and offered it to
> the Oszmianszczyzna website. He was delighted and said "if there is anything
> I can do to help...." Well, I told him that I had searched for my dad's
> birth metrics for some 15 years and got nowhere. Within 5 minutes, he'd
> phoned the one place I didn't think would have anything like that with the
> full details of 1st February 1932, god-parents, the lot! And yes, my babcia
> did mix up the DAY between the two of them, but also got the wrong month!
> It is worth noting, for anyone else who has written to the archives in
> places like Grodno, that until the metrical books are 100 years old, they
> stay at the local "registry" office. Then, although your required records
> may be 100 years old, unless ALL the records in that book are also 100 years
> old, they don't go to the archives and the archives will simply tell you
> that the records for that church are "lost". In my case, my dad's records
> are in Smorgon City council offices and although he was born in 1932, the
> books will stay there until 2056. Grodno had told me that the books were
> probably destroyed. I even rang the priest in Smogonie Catholic Church and
> he said that he thought they were smuggled out to Lithuania in the war and
> would be in Vilnius. Vilnius archives told me that whilst that did happen in
> the war, the books were repatriated to the correct offices after the proper
> borders were established.
> As for my dziadek's money he sent to my babcia to get out of Siberia - I can
> only presume that once freed, and when they agreed to "free" his family,
> they must have given him money so they could travel. Certainly my dad
> remembers (aged 9) that they were given travel documents and other papers
> which permitted them to travel and food, but given everyone was short of
> food, they hardly got a thing. He does remember a Russian soldier taking
> pity on them at a railway station and got them some food.
> In another interesting development, the office of the President of Poland
> have on thursday last week, sent me a duplicate of my dziadek's "virtuti
> militari" silver cross of valour, together with all relevant paperwork. I
> await its arrival as does my dad. I'm not sure what happened to the original
> but they have agreed (after me sending them their own paperwork as proof of
> who he was) to the duplicate.
> My son (aged 12), has chosen history for next years studies and they have a
> project to complete about "how your family was affected by World War 2" -
> its from a Hitler perspective, but I talked to his teacher about "from the
> Stalin perspective" and what happened to my family and this medal and all my
> researching will form part of my son's project work - even my son's history
> teacher wasn't aware of what had happened to us.