Rys, keep posting, as Mark has said, you do this in a very amicable way, it is good to hear story from witness, direct or indirect through parentage. Not allMessage 1 of 12 , Jan 26View Source
Rys, keep posting, as Mark has said, you do this in a very amicable way, it is good to hear story from witness, direct or indirect through parentage. Not all research is pleasant and we need to be aware of all suffering and joy, from our members, this is why we are here, why we exist. For the common purpose of research and remembrance, regardless of who we are and where we come from, agreeing, respecting and working together, to open the eyes of the world to the horrors and this is a big job, as they always try to cover up, hoping the cries of the survivors will stop and we will walk around like a mindless people, not knowing who we are, where we come from and supposedly be happy with this and not bother the world population and allow more horrors to continue in other countries, regardless of nationality or religion.
We have voice, we have records, we have truth in witness, history to reveal and research to discover, letting the world know what happened and that we exist, we are the survivors of the Soviet and German oppression, the people from the Colonies, the Kresy and in the future, schools, classrooms, children will be using the material we put forward and books will be written with the truth. We are the thorn in Stalin’s side as what happened is a blot on history and should never be forgotten.
My two daughters in their Higher School Curriculum, studied compulsory subject of Communist Oppression, which included the borderlands and invasion of Poland and then went on to other countries beyond the Polish borders. Now after they have finished school, they keep up to date, by information supplied and put forward by KS Group, as more and more truth is revealed and will be revealed as more information becomes available. They know who they are and where they come from and this has contributed so much, in a positive manner to their personal development and understanding of others. This is one of the purposes of KS and thanks to the vision of Stefan and others, we are achieving this, so our loved ones lost will never be forgotten and we the survivors have a voice and are not shunted under the carpet.
All we have to do is research, record the truth, with dignity and respect and it will be read by the others and they will slowly open their eyes. (I do not give up, it will happen) We are the drop of water on the rock, never stopping and we will make our mark and be visible and believed in telling the truth as survivors, by working together and following the values set by the founders of this amazingly, wonderful group.
Today, in Sydney Australia, we have rain and even the grass is happy. The rest of Australia is still suffering from crazy weather and fires. It is a land of extremes and you have to understand this land to live in this land, but somehow the people live in relative harmony, aside from the crazy weather. We have just finished celebrating Australia Day yesterday 26th January and I had the honour of burying a survivor, of the German/Polish War, who hated Khrushchev and Baryshnikov, so much, their name could not be mentioned in our home, my father, on Australia Day, 29 years ago and now, because of group, I understand his pain.
Lenarda, Sydney, Australia
I also want to say that when reading your article, I thought it was good that you had a place to tell it to people who would appreciate it. That to me was the striking part, not looking for any chance to beat up some faceless persons for their race. Our wise members made sense of all that and just protect the group for all of our good.
Keep posting; I had heard things like this before and hearing it from someone who lived it means alot.
As I said, my mt-DNA shows a 97% match for Ashkanazi Jew, so I cannot be accused of racism or religious prejudice. My dad tells how the Russian soldier told them (in response to "where are we going") "pack some warm clothes because you're going to Siberia", whilst the Jewish neighbour said "you're going to see your God". They obviously confused and worried by these two accounts and feared the worst.
Even whilst they were packing, their remaining things were being catalogued and removed by their Jewish neighbour. Its a story I have heard from many ex-Kresy inhabitants (in their recollections over a bottle or two of Wodka).
I actually wrote another paragraph in my last posting about a great uncle of mine that died last year. He was in Birkanau and Auswitz; stamped with the lottery numbers on his arm. He was catholic and Polish, simply arrested by the Germans. His accounts differ SHARPLY from the now established line - I will say no more publicly on this except that he trusted the Germans would not harm him.
Lots is assumed and presumed and many tales emerge, thankfully, I've had first hand accounts from my family and form my opinions from these.
--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> Stan, Rys, thanks.
> Interesting story about Stalin collaborating with the police. His character doesnt improve with each thing you learn about him.
> I get the message ofÂ 'treading lightly' but there is no way to understand all of the stuff that went on withoutÂ the racism. Ignoring it doesnt help; confronting it seems more productive.
> It is also important to realize we all have a cross to bear, including we Poles.
> Rys, telling your story in a factual manner helps me, thank you.
> I would hope that anyone who feels slammed uses their own civility and maturity to realize that we all benefit from the trribulations of our pre-decessors including their sins.
> By confronting racism, we understand better and choose different views now in the interest of peace. We all know the downfalls of carrying on the alternate views.
> Mark T.
> From: Stanislaw Zwierzynski
> To: "mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:08:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: NEIGHBOURS ON THE EVE OF THE HOLOCAUST (1939-1941)
> Theme is really very complicated.
> Red Army, which invaded Kresy, most Jews greeted as liberators. This was a lot of memories of children and adult osadniks. There are many books on the subject.Â
> Among the Jews at Kresy was one conviction - Stalin is much better than Hitler. And I agree with them.Â
> Many Jews in September 1939, escaped from the western to eastern Poland: Bialystok, Grodno, Novogrudok etc. In September - December 1939 all they were arrested and sentenced under article 120 of Criminal Code of Belarus SSR for illegally crossing the border (??!!!). They were given, usually 3 years in camps (not the worst), in contrast to the Poles, who, for this article, and others, were given, usually 8 years imprisonment.Â
> 3 years - this is not a critical period, chances of survival in camp more than a die (statistic).Â
> 8 years - it is beyond expectation, chances of survival of less than 10%.
> If not amnesty Sikorski-Maisky, we would not live, an absolute majority would have died in camps.Â
> So even though Soviet government did not like Jews of Poland, but it was much closer than osadniks, lesniki, officers. Separately, police are - these were all destroyed.Â
> Stalin did not like the police, because he (in the revolutionary youth) collaborated with
> the secret police as informer and was seksot (from 2 words - a secret collaborator). Then he was afraid that expose and destroy all friends of his youth.Â
> Jews in Kresy just very quickly adapted to new Soviet government, helped her.Â
> But under Hitler they did not adapt - and most of them (80-90%) were brutally killed. West Belarus - Holocaust was really, monstrously read about it even after 70 years.Â
> By the way, most of these crimes against Jews, as is evident from the documents, delivered by local Belarusians - collaborations. Gestapo only managed and stored in the registry.Â
> Stan from M.
> From: ryszardsys
> To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:19 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: NEIGHBOURS ON THE EVE OF THE HOLOCAUST (1939-1941)
> I don't want to sound anti-Jewish here, mainly because I have no direct experience of what happened but just the words of my family. A few weeks before 10th February 1940, local Jews came to my father's house and told my grandmother (granddad was interned in Lithuania by now) to get out because the Russians are coming and they weren't wanted there. When she asked where she was supposed to go she was told "why don't you ask your God". They went some 20km to her mother's house in Trokiele. My dad remembers that after about 3 weeks, the "all clear" was sounded and they returned to their farm just outside Smorgonie. All their furniture was taken and they were told that this was done by the local Jews. On the 10th February, when they came to arrest them, there was a Russian officer and a local Jew. The same story from my mother near Baranowice. On 10th February, 3 people, 2 Russian soldiers and a local Jew. On my mums side, my granddad always said
> that whenever he had livestock to sell, he would first have to seek the "approval" of a Jew who would then fix a price; if they wanted money, it could only be borrowed from a Jew. The whole economy was controlled by the Jewish population. On the 10th February, my dad's sister was left behind at her grandma's and later, my dad heard from her (whilst in Siberia). She told of when the Germans had advanced. She said that they came to her and asked her to identify their livestock so that they could be returned; she spoke of them as though they had come to save them from the Russians, almost fondly. Unfortunately, she died in 1947. Its odd, but my mother always used to say to me when I was in my teens "ever bring a Jewish girl here and you'll be disowned" - the irony of this is that in my genealogical research, I was DNA tested and my maternal DNA came back as "Ashkanazi Jew" - it turns out that her grandmother was born Jewish but converted to Orthodox
> to marry. The explanation was "well you have to understand that the whole economy was controlled by the Jewish population. If you wanted to get on, the easiest way was to marry into a Jewish family" I've read countless accounts on the internet (I can probably get links) where people like my family have named the Jews who drew up and assisted the Russians with the deportations. Some of these were almost "I can't believe it....we were friends" The subject is complex... Rys UK