Mark The 1930 s were a nasty time in the majority of Europe and the nationalism that surfaced from the ruins of Austria-Hungary after WW1 was a vicious andMessage 1 of 90 , Dec 16 4:06 AMView SourceMark
The 1930's were a nasty time in the majority of Europe and the nationalism that surfaced from the ruins of Austria-Hungary after WW1 was a vicious and destructive variety. Most modern historians now consider that the armistice at the end of WW1 was more of a 'cease fire' than the end of war in Europe. The way Europe was divided up after Versailles made future war in Europe inevitable and the politics of most European countries was undemocratic and in many militaristic, anti-Semitic and racist. That is what I mean by fascist, xenophobia and nationalism are rarely benign.
You are right that pre-war Poland was not in the same league as Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany but its totalitarianist government was as evil as the communist one established after the war. On the 14th December 1933 The Sejm was reformed reducing it to an advisory body only (compare with Hitler's Enabling Act, ensuring the Nazi monopoly on power). The Government was formed from the Senate giving one third of the vote to the president and the other two thirds to the legionaries (those with military backgrounds) While 'democratic' elections were held these were stacked in favour of presidential nominees. The country was governed by decree not democracy. On the 13th September 1937 Poland's anti-semitic parties declared an anti Jewish month during which substantial economic damage was done to the Jews. While this was not on the scale of the Reichkristallnacht there are several parallels.
The Polish government did nothing to prevent this as they had similarly failed to intervene when nationalist students evicted all jews from universities (except Poznan and Lublin) on the 12th and 13th November 1931. While there is no evidence that the Polish Government orchestrated this it should be understood that there is also no 'evidence' that the Nazi party ordered Kristallnacht.
It is not my intention to place the blame for any of this on the Polish people as a whole. It is however in the interests of all who study history to view it in context. Even though Britain was a democracy in the 1930's it was not a benign one. The British Empire still held millions in virtual serfdom and applied racist and militarist sway over the countries of many nationalities.
If we confront our past we better understand it, and the reasons for our 'present'
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mark and Oyun
Sent: Sun 16/12/2012 06:55
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Deportations in Eastern European History
Was Poland a fascist state in the 1930s? Not Fascist as it was understood in at the time. Note the capital letter. An argument could be made for fascist (small F) as per a dictionary definition. The term most applied is "para-fascist". I can find few merits in the pre-war leadership of Poland, or the system they enforced. It was not the USSR, it was not Nazi Germany, neither was it Mussolini's Italy; but a democracy it most certainly was not.
Regards, Mark Ostrowski
To All: *To the Christian Community of Kresy-Siberia members:* Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. May Jesus fill your homes with love, happiness, graces andMessage 90 of 90 , Dec 20 6:30 PMView SourceTo All:
To the Christian Community of Kresy-Siberia members: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. May Jesus fill your homes with love, happiness, graces and peace.
To all other religious Kresy-Siberia members: I wish you a Joyous Season and a Happy New Year. May your Supreme Being also fill your homes with love, happiness and peace.
To all without any religious beliefs or religious affiliations: may your homes also be filled with Love, happiness and peace and may you enjoy your fellow religious neighbor who has chosen to celebrate in such a festive way during this time of the year. Look not at their beliefs but at the joy and good fellowship they demonstrate and wish to you and your loved ones during this season.
To all who continue to tear down the Polish country, its religious community and its gentle people throughout the world. I also wish you all good things that life can offer including love, happiness and hope that you can find peace in your heart and allow the Polish people a few days or happiness without negative input for a few days.
A few days sharing joyful fellowship will do no one harm. Please enjoy these festive days and share the love and wonder of the world at this time of the year with all around you. Accept our good wishes given to you with love even if you do not believe in our or any Supreme Being. A new year is almost here and we can start all over again with these distraction soon enough.
To all who praise and long for the return of the Stalin and/or the Hitler and/or the Communism systems of life and all that they offer, I wish, hope and pray that your desires are fulfilled and that you will soon find a place in this world for your troubled heart and that you, your family and love ones specifically will be able to practice and live in the peaceful and loving system that you so desire and support, and that in those systems you will enjoy all the fruits, love and good fellowship that they promise to bring to you and your family.
In each case above: I pray that each of us will allow the other to chose and live within the bounds and systems that each chooses to live without interference or demands from each other or force each other to accept the other beliefs or way of life.
JulekOn Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:29 PM, walter_orlowski <walter_orlowski@...> wrote:
That is a great joke and like many jokes there is a lot of truth in it. A good joke like that would have landed you in a Gulag if you lived in the Soviet paradise.
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Dan Ford <cub06h@...> wrote:
> Postwar, Stalin had a little joke that he would "share" with his
> colleagues in their late-night drinking bouts at the Kremlin, about how
> he, Roosevelt, and Churchill had carved up Europe at Tehran and Yalta.
> The three leaders went hunting and shot a bear. Churchill said that he
> would like the skin, and Stalin and Roosevelt could divide up the meat.
> But Roosevelt had exactly the same idea--HE wanted the bearskin. So they
> turned to Stalin so he could decide. "The bear is mine," he said. "After
> all, I killed it." So he kept the bearskin and the meat. (Simon
> Montefiore: Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar)
> - Dan Ford US
> On 12/20/2012 2:01 AM, Mark and Oyun wrote:
> > I hardly think Stalin was quaking in his shoes at the west's reaction.