Dan, you should also remember the Polish Operation of 1937-1938 declassified Soviet document, of Secret Operation 00447, by head of the NKVD Nikolai YezhovMessage 1 of 67 , Oct 31, 2012View Source
Dan, you should also remember the Polish Operation of 1937-1938 declassified Soviet document, of Secret Operation 00447, by head of the NKVD Nikolai Yezhov and signed by Stalin http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEsQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Febookbrowse.com%2Fthe-nkvd-mass-secret-operation-no-00447-august-1937-pdf-d345562221&ei=RoaRUI7BJfGXiQfc5IHICQ&usg=AFQjCNEs9McTXA_9JZ1X1ddKLx0redqVxQ&cad=rja with details released 2009, updated in 2010, in which the NKVD took as prisoner thousands of Polish 1937 and when their prisons were full to capacity made room by mass murder in 1938 for the next wave of repression, prior to their Invasion of Poland in 1939. Also those that were previously deported to Kazakhstan were also targeted in this operation, before the arrival of the Amnestied Polish joining Anders Army. These survivors could have also crossed over to Persia. Many escaped through China as well. We are looking at thousands not accounted for, either murdered or escaped or trapped with nowhere to go, who were Polish Citizens back in 1918. Up to 1939 there are no accurate records of the imprisonment or slaughter, only after 1939 when Beria came on the scene, we have some sort of inaccurate records of numbers, being kept and constantly debated as they are constantly changed by whomever is in power in which country on that day. All we can do is keep telling the truth as it really happened and perhaps if we are the constant, then the fluctuating records will eventually show the truth of which we speak.
You might be interested in what Halik Kochanski says about the numbers.
(Not deaths--numbers affected.)
She is skeptical of the revisionist figures from Poland in the late
1990s and prefers to guesstimate 500,000 in the deportations. That being
the case, here are her figures as of June 1941 (page 137 of the US edition):
500,000 civilians deported.
196,000 prisoners of war (this is after the Katyn cleanout of officers etc)
210,000 "Polish citizens who had been conscripted into the Red Army"
250,000 "arrested and sentenced to hard labor in the Gulag"
That's a total of 1,156,000, to which she adds "an unknown number of
Polish citizens who had volunteered to work in the Soviet Union"
The last three categories (Red Army conscripts, arrestees, and
volunteers) are not usually mentioned in the accounts I have read. Of
the extended family I am writing about, eight women and children were
exiled to Kazakhstan, two men were murdered at Katyn and Kiev, one man
was arrested trying to cross into Romania and so wound up in a labor
camp, one man was a prisoner of war with the Germans, and one man was
killed in the bombing of Lwow in September 1939.
Uncle Jan from the labor camp was amnestied in 1942, which raises an
interesting point. He was neither a prisoner of war (hence eligible to
join Anders Army) nor a civilian deportee (hence amnestied). So the pool
of civilian and military escapees to Persia in 1942 was much larger than
the PWs and the civilian deportees; it certainly included some of the
250,000 here mentioned, and arguably ought to have included all of them.
So a total of 946,000 Poles were eligible in theory to get out to
Persia. How many actually did, 125,000-150,000? That was only one out of
six or seven who might have gotten out.
In addition to the "unknown number" of labor volunteers, there is also
of course an unknown number of Poles already dead, killed in the
September 1939 invasions, by the NKVD from September 1939 to June 1941,
and died of starvation and neglect in the camps before that June figure.
-- Dan Ford US
On 10/30/2012 1:53 PM, Mark and Oyun wrote:
> eath Rates rear their ugly head!
Thanks Halina, fascinating. I will go through this on the weekend. In brief review, I wonder which year was a harder time in Poland - 1939 or 1944? Mark T.Message 67 of 67 , Nov 7, 2012View SourceThanks Halina, fascinating.I will go through this on the weekend.In brief review, I wonder which year was a harder time in Poland - 1939 or 1944?Mark T.
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