Simon, if you do not mind a bit of reading, to bring you up to speed, could I suggest, as we have over 10 years of knowledge stored on our forum/post. If youMessage 1 of 32 , Jul 4, 2012View Source
Simon, if you do not mind a bit of reading, to bring you up to speed, could I suggest, as we have over 10 years of knowledge stored on our forum/post. If you go back to mid 2011, you will read a lot of members recollections and descriptions of Osada, Settlements and how they were obtained. All you need to do is go to Forum and keep going backwards and you will find various posts/talkings of interest.
Or alternatively, could one of the group assist and specifically describe Osada and give reference material?
You are going in the right direction, keep asking questions until you understand, there is so much history to catch up on, good luck.
Thank you for the information below. I haven't had a chance to question mum further about the names that you have listed. Hopefully she can shed some light or maybe I have to realise that mum's dementia is more dominant than I thought.
My mother's maiden name is Wozniak, the name at the bottom of your list. Do you know much about Osadas? How did the authorities allocate a piece of land to an Osada? Were Osadas grouped together? If so, which Osadas neigboured Hallerowka? What was the size of an Osada? How much land was each family allocated within each Osada?
My next task will be to identify the exacdt location of Hallerowka. Having just been to Rowne at least I have a context to work within.
Thank you for the information that you sent.
Have a lovely day.
What was your mother’s name? more info please.
There were 25 families at Hallerowka/ Tynne Hallerówka
here it is shown as Tynne, south of Rowne.
Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
Names: Maczka. Gradosielski.
Kresy: Osada Krechowiecka. Wilno.
Siberia: Monastyriok. Siewzeldorlag, Komi.
Army: Pestki 316 Transport. Sappers 5KDP.
Thank you for the link to the maps. It's more detailed than what I have seen to date but not detailed enough to lea to me to mum's place.
Mum was born in Rowne in 1926. She was deported in 1939. She is now 86 years old and has never returned. I was born in Perth, Western Australia. In speak enough Polish to converse comfortably with mum. She has dementia but is at her best when talking about the old times.
I have just returned from Poland and the Ukraine. We didn't locate mum's "patch of dirt" but we now have a context for the search.
She lived in Osada Hallerowka. She told me that 5 families liveD in this Osada. She says the names were Osada, Nowak, Konopko, Starzyk and Dysleski. I can't find an exact location for Osada.
I brought back photos and mum could recognize the Parish Church, the military church and the 3 rows of crosses in the cemetery. I think we have identified the school but can't get much further than that.
She says that opposite their house was a Russian church with some gravestones in the grounds. On her walk into town and church she would pass a meat works and a rag factory. There was also a military cemetery. She talks of "Kino Zafrana" also. I'm thinking that we put most of our efforts into the wrong side of ul 3 Maja when we were in Rowne.
That' where my search is currently at. Thank you for your help. I am new to this group bad hope that once I work out how to communicate through this forum I may make further progress.
Sent from my iPad
On 03/07/2012, at 8:23 AM, "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...> wrote:
Hello Simon and welcome to group.
The closest to getting a pre 1939 map of Rowne, was from Strony O Wolyniu, here is the link http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://wolyn.ovh.org/strony.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drowne%2Bmapa%2B1939%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3De8W%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=7DbyT4KfEIOuiAeywdWeDQ&ved=0CHAQ7gEwBw
and when you open site look for symbol <image001.jpg> click on this and then it will take you to another page with large map, look for ROWNE, click on this box and you will find the actual town, roads and all, also this map can be enlarged, by single click. There are many other links, still looking, they will turn up, but this is the quickest to find, helping you get started and find your direction.
Lenarda, Sydney Australia
Thank you Elzunia. It appears that the article by Irena Haniewicz (Idkowiak) may be in the Polish edition only. Does the Polish edition contain articles byMessage 32 of 32 , Jul 9, 2012View SourceThank you Elzunia. It appears that the article by Irena Haniewicz (Idkowiak) may be in the Polish edition only.
Does the Polish edition contain articles by Izabela Maczko, Danuta Byrtus or Wladyslaw Grzebyk?
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...> wrote:
> In the first book in Polish there is an article from osada Bortica by Irena Haniewicz (Idkowiak). Donât see any mention of Szulc but there are several pages of photos.
> Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
> AlingsÃ¥s, Sweden
> Names: Maczka. Gradosielski.
> Kresy: Osada Krechowiecka. Wilno.
> Siberia: Monastyriok. Siewzeldorlag, Komi.
> Army: Pestki 316 Transport. Sappers 5KDP.
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of halinamcd
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:45 AM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Osada Hallerowka / Wozniak
> Simon and Michael
> In the book â" Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing â" there are three accounts from osada Bortnica, from Wladyslaw Grzebyk, Izabela Maczko (nee Czerkowska) and Danuta Byrtus (nee Szubert).
> Could you please check through their stories to see if there is any mention of the Szulc families of osada Bortnica â" F Szulc and Kazimierz Szulc.
> Thank you
> Halina (NZ)
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