My dad was in the Jozef Pilsudski Military School in Lwow (Batory Street) before the war. He had just obtained his school certificate in 1939 when war broke out.
He was deported as with others from Lwow on 13 April 1940 4 days after his father was arrested, and sent to Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan. My understanding is that he wasn't conscripted into Anders Army but went after "amnesty" to find a recruitment point. I'm not entirely sure where he went to but I know my grandmother went to Tockoje to join up after she left the camp. I have a map on the K-S Memorial Gallery under my grandmother's name, Stanislawa which has three sites circled which I think may be recruitment points (must get around to translating them).
Konrad, was your Dad in the same military school?
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
, Mark Turkiewicz <turkiewiczm@...> wrote:
> Thanks Dan. I think you may have properly re-directed me. I do know my dads mom was in Kazak for sure so he probably was too. I also think it makes sense that he wasnt a POW because he was probably too young. I had thought that after killing his father in March-Apr 1940, that the murdered men's families were then made to disappear in Siberia. I probably didnt make the distinction between "POW" and "civilian" since everyone seems like a POW in these stories.
> With what clues I have picked up today, I will re-group my thoughts. Sometimes I am getting confused because I search for both my dad and his dad at the same time.
> Grandad is on Ukraine list, dad made it to Anders, then Italy, Scotland where I was born, then Canada.
> Was there an enlistment station in Kazakhstan in April 42? Are you
aware of a list of camps? Grandma is on a list that went to selo-novo aleksiejewka Kustanskaja Obl.
> Mark Turkiewicz
> From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:36:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Lwow Military School
> It sounds to me that your dad enlisted as a "free exile" in which case
> he was probably in Kazakhstan and found the army the same way the
> civilians did, rather than as a prisoner of war released from prison
> camp. April 1942 was the date of the first exodus of military and
> civilians across the Caspian to
Persia. It may
seem a long time after
> amnesty, but the army was training in the Soviet Union and the civilians
> were either staying put, finding a safer place to get through the
> winter, or camping out on the periphery of the army training camps. The
> decision to move the army outside the SU under British command was not
> taken for some time and had to wait upon the coup that deposed the shah
> and allowed British, American, and Red Army troops to effectively occupy
> (That said, it is also true that some civilian young men joined the
> Anders army in 1941.)
> It doesn't necessarily follow that because your dad was a "cadet" in
> Lwow before the war, that he was conscripted or volunteered before the
> war. And if he did enlist and serve in September (Lwow was defended
> against the German army by an ad hoc force of local military, soldiers
> who had retreated from the west, and armed civilians) the records in
> Warsaw probably don't reflect that fact. If he wasn't in uniform on
> September 17, he wouldn't have been swept up by the NKVD and could have
> melted into the civilian population until deported, probably in April
> 1940 if my hunch is correct.
> (As for conscription, I don't know. It was true that all university
> graduates were commissioned in Polish service, but that would not have
> applied to a military high school. As I mentioned, the young man whose
> history I am familiar with was sent to Torun for three years further
> training/education, perhaps something like Sandhurst or West Point. His
> father was a colonel at Torun in 1927 when he graduated from Lwow's
> military high school.)
> Just a thought! -- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA
> On 5/30/2012 9:25
PM, Mark Turkiewicz wrote:
> > Thanks Konrad. If there was mandatory service, I wonder if it would be
> > at age 18.
> > I am also exploring another fact about my father. His MOD records
> > state that his original enlistment in USSR after amnesty was with
> > Regiment Zap. Spec. O, Org A, on Apr 28, 1942. He misstated his age to
> > qualify. I am trying to determine where he enlisted and where he had
> > been as there are family rumors of escape and long travel by the time
> > he got to Persia. I dont even know if he took a boat, or if he was
> > aided by the Polish underground who did organize some of these trips.
> > The fact it was so long after the amnesty seems unusual.
> > Mark Turkiewicz
> > Canada
> > *From:* Konrad Wraczynski <konsim1@...>
> > *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:09:07 PM
> > *Subject:* [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Lwow Military School
> > ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â»ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¿
> > Was national service a Polish government policy during the years prior
> > to the breakout of World War 2?
> > If so, would national service personnel from Lwow have attended the
> > Lwow Military School?
> > Thanks.
> > Konrad Wraczynski
> > Adelaide.
> > South Australia.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Dan Ford <mailto:cub06h@...>
> > *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:41 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] POW Camp 1939 Szepetowce
> > - Polish Soldiers recount
> > I think but am not certain that that would apply to students at a
> > military high school. I have followed the career of a young man who
> > graduated from the Lwow military school in 1927. He then went to
> > Torun
> > for three further years of education and training before being
> > commissioned a lieutenant in the Polish army. -- Dan Ford, New
> > On 5/30/2012 7:44 AM, Mark Turkiewicz
> > > Can anyone tell me about cadet corps #1 Lviv?