Mark, Great research, this gives more information and also includes the information I provided. I have not decided which is worse, and cannot do so, I am onlyMessage 1 of 1 , Dec 6 11:37 AMView Source
Great research, this gives more information and also includes the information I provided. I have not decided which is worse, and cannot do so, I am only a student in this forum. At my home, war was horrible and never spoken of, until the year before my father’s death and now, I am learning more, with my mother recalling her childhood, until recently, I avoided most discussions on war. The brains trust and historians are more accomplished at being specific and accurate in their wonderful interchange of imformation, which is awesome to witness and learn from. War is a strange occurance, unless it involves us directly, we are not interested. I let the articles words speak for themselves in the below quotes:-
if Britain and not Germany had been the vanquished power -- British pilots and their commanders could have been punished and even executed as "war criminals."
Among the many 'nameless' victims were many prominent political figures, a fact that is hushed up today because the fact that concentration camp inmates, many of them resistance fighters against Hitler, perished as victims of the terror of the 'liberators' does not conform to the portrayal of the 'reeducators'
The deaths on May 3, 1945, of some 7,000 concentration camp prisoners -- victims of a criminal British attack -- remains a little-known chapter of World War II history. This is all the more remarkable when one compares the scale of the disaster with other, much better known maritime catastrophes. For example, the well-known sinking of the great British liner Titanic on April 15, 1912, took "only" 1,523 lives.
Actually, among the greatest naval disasters in history are the Baltic Sea sinkings of three other German vessels by Soviet submarines in the first half of 1945: the Wilhelm Gustloff, on January 30, 1945, with the loss of at least 5,400 lives, mostly women and children; the General Steuben on February 10, 1945, with the loss of 3,500, mostly refugees and wounded soldiers; and, above all, the Goya on April 16, 1945, taking the lives of some 7,000 refugees and wounded soldiers.
On May 3rd, 1945, just days after Hitler committed suicide and 4 days before Germany surrendered the Cap Arcona was attacked by Hawker Typhoon Mark 1B fighter-bombers. The Typhoons were from the 83 Group of the 2nd Tactical Air Force and attacked the Cap Arcona as a part of operations against all German shipping in the Baltic. The British attack consisted of the No. 184 Squadron, No. 263 Squadron, No. 197 Squadron, and No. 198 Squadron. The attack was grimly successful and caused the ship to burn extensively and later capsize. Those inmates who weren't killed immediately in the initial attack were gunned down by SS guards onboard, or by the RAF pilots who were under orders to strafe survivors in the water. Tragically the British pilots that attacked the Cap Arcona had no way of knowing that the ship was filled with innocent victims or that days later British units would enter Neustadt itself.
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War is a terrible thing and terrible things happen but before we get too moved by the Wilhelm Gustloff... and continuing todays "shippy" theme... check out the Cap Arcona.
The following two are NOT impartial...
A war crime? Of course not. Less lives loss, but worse than the Gustloff? You decide.
The rules of engagment are quite clear and the Soviet Navy was within its right to sink the Gustloff, just as the British were within their rights to sink the Ancona. The fact that the ships was armed and carrying military personnel made them fair targets. Not pleasant... but that's war.