Bożenka, do not despair …. As I don’t think you are at all, as I think you have an amazing positive disposition !!
I say this because, I also was puzzled by the train list for many months… probably ever since this list started circulating, several years ago.
My mom was on train which started in Złoczów and the list states it ended up in Uralnieft, Molotowska. Well my mom told me many, many times they left the train in Mendellyevo. From which they were loaded onto open 5 ton army trucks to Kudymkar, then onto sleds to Wizjaj, thne on foot to Vyrknyi Nozhi.
So what is this Uralnieft thing I asked myself? I’ve been trying to look for it for several years. And today, finally on Google, it popped up as “ URALNEFT ‘ “ in Molotovska Oblast. I google over time, updates it’s massive search engine, and things pop up..
Seems like Uralnieft, or “ URALNEFT’ “ ( notice the apostrophe after the word which is integral to the place name) is not a town/city, but a railroad station in a city for goodness sake. Here is a USA translated map of a 1942 Russian map .
If you look at BIG city of Gorodki in lower middle, there is the train station called “ Uralneft’ “ . Look closely for the “ apostrophe “. Remember city of PERM now, used to be called MOLOTOV .
If you wan to see more maps of the old Russia, try this Index, find your map note the co-ordinates here.
And then go to the map section and download it from here:
] On Behalf Of tinijoroga
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re:Deportation trains
ANTONI, ELZUNIU, RYSIU and CHRIS:
You’re right, Antoni, trying to unravel or reconstruct events that occurred so many years ago is a daunting task even for astute historians let alone for mere mortals such as myself. Yet in trying, we do touch that piece of history of which we were part of, having lived through it ourselves.
The only things I am sure of Elzuniu, is that we were ousted from our home in Sarny-Dorotycze, taken by sleigh to the railway station in Sarny proper, loaded into a cattle wagon, arrived in Szabrycha train station in the USSR several weeks later, and there Mom and I were loaded onto a sleigh while my Father walked six km, in knee high snow beside us, to Posiolek Darovatka.
I was thrilled to find three deportation trains leaving from Sarny “County”, two of which from Sarny train station itself but since they left in April, they are dismissed from consideration. The third train, with a departure date of February 1st, was from Antonowka, in the County of Sarny, which could have very well stopped in the Sarny station to pick us up. I thought this train was the closest and the most likely to be the one on which we were deported. I did check the train map whose link you provided (thank you, Elzuniu!) and compared names to those on the train list, but I didn’t come up with anything different. If I am wrong, I would be most grateful for information which would correct my assumption.
What didn’t jive for the above departure train I selected, was the arrival station listed as Morzenga ergo I questioned it. Despite the fact that there is no mention of Szabrycha station on any lists, I cannot dispute what I have been told by my Mother and other deportees of Darovatka who are certain that Szabrycha was our arrival station. But anything is possible, so I am not discounting any possibilities as mentioned by you, Antoni, since you are our K-S expert and I am grateful for your insight as I have been on many other occasions.
Also, thank you to you Rysiu and Chris for your input. That’s what makes our K-S Group so great; we take an interest and help one another thereby we are all better for it.
BOZENA …quot; Florida, USA
--- In Kresy-Siberia@ <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...> wrote:
> Hi Bozena
> Do you know for sure that you left from Antonowka Station?
> Wasn’t your osada south-east of Sarny? If you look at the train map
> http://kresy- <http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=8315> siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=8315
> Antonowka is on the other side of Sarny, other stations would have been closer.
> Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
> Alingsås, Sweden
> Names: Maczka. Gradosielski.
> Kresy: Osada Krechowiecka. Wilno.
> Siberia: Monastyriok. Siewzeldorlag, Komi.
> Army: Pestki 316 Transport. Sappers 5KDP.
> From: Kresy-Siberia@ <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@ <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Antoni Kazimierski
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:19 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@ <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re:Deportation trains
> It is extremely difficult to unravel some things which happened so long ago.
> Yes, we all looked at various routes the trains took and it is sad that Karta were not able to publish such routes, because I believe, there are no precise records at Memorial from the Soviet Railway Archives; secondly they were not deemed to be all that important and searching for them would be costly.
> You were nowhere near Morzenga, I do not think. Perhaps you might look at other possibility in that you actually arrived at Ponazyriovo and then were loaded on to a sleigh for just a few days journey to Dorovatka.
> * consider train no 76 -Zdolbunov to Ponazyriovo.
> It is possible part of your train from Antonowka (Sarny) joined that train and travelled with it.
> * consider that the Morzenga train with about 1300 persons only might have been split at Danilovo (major junction)so that some went to Morzenga (on Moscov to Archangelsk line) and the rest to Ponazyriovo.
> Unless there are records of someone noting the stations where the train stopped there is no way of knowing what had happened. Elzunia's Mom recorded their stations, but most of us did not.
> Our train was split at Velsk although on the list it was named as a train to V. SINIEGA
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]